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Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus... (Yeah Right)
The Blaze via Yahoo ^ | October 10, 2013 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 10/11/2013 9:53:50 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy

On Oct. 19, self-professed Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill is planning to make public some very flammable allegations. At a day-long symposium called "Covert Messiah" in London, England, he's set to unveil purported evidence that Roman aristocrats manufactured Jesus Christ - a claim that, if substantiated, would devalue the core of the Christian faith.

The only problem? Most Biblical experts disagree with the scholar's pronouncements.

A press release announcing the purported new evidence claims that Atwill has discovered "ancient confessions" that purportedly prove that Romans invented Jesus Christ in the first century. He has long argued that the faith system was used as a political tool to control the masses -- something he says is still going on today.

"I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm, but this is important for our culture," he said of the alleged debunk - one that he believes will eventually be universally accepted.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: academicbias; antichristian; atheistsupremacist; deceiver; jesus; religion; revisionisthistory; waronreligion
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No mention of the fact there is more historic secular evidence of Jesus than of Julius Ceasar. This is the same gammet that the devil has been at since the Pharisees tried to convince people Jesus wasn't real.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romas 1:22

1 posted on 10/11/2013 9:53:50 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
End of thread: http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/no-joe-​atwill-rome-did-not-invent-jesus/ ;-)
2 posted on 10/11/2013 9:57:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Bammy’s a Constitutional Scholar.....


3 posted on 10/11/2013 9:58:08 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I’m a self-professed automotive expert, and I make the explosive allegation that Henry Ford actually stole his designs from the Model T from cave drawings found along the banks of the Euphrates.


4 posted on 10/11/2013 9:58:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/no-joe-​atwill-rome-did-not-invent-jesus/
5 posted on 10/11/2013 9:58:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

very flammable allegations.

Christians don’t become inflamed when a crackpot spouts heresy. We pray for him.

This is what makes us different.


6 posted on 10/11/2013 9:59:34 AM PDT by DManA (t)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
A press release announcing the purported new evidence

Of course. Only the most serious scholars go to the press before having their work peer reviewed.

7 posted on 10/11/2013 10:03:14 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
"...a claim that, if substantiated, would devalue the core of the Christian faith."

"IF"
Reminds me of something Satan once said to Jesus: "IF you really are the Son of God...."

8 posted on 10/11/2013 10:04:43 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

why does anybody pay attention to fools like this?


9 posted on 10/11/2013 10:05:27 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

“self-professed Biblical scholar “

I’m a over 50 year old guy who never played football. I think I’ll become a self-professed NFL starting quarterback.


10 posted on 10/11/2013 10:05:45 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Sign at WWII Memorial: NORMANDY WAS CLOSED WHEN WE GOT THERE, TOO.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Roman aristocrats manufactured Jesus Christ

LOL! Wow, it is amazing the stupid things people will say to get attention. He is going to be in for a shocker when he faces Jesus after his death.

11 posted on 10/11/2013 10:05:47 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I wonder if he includes the part where the leaders of the civilized world got together and said, “Hey, here’s an idea. Let’s recalibrate the calendar based on something that never happened! Show of hands!”


12 posted on 10/11/2013 10:06:18 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

and somehow the romans persuaded the jews in power - the pharisees, the saducees, etc to go along with this. given how much the jews hated the romans i am sure they were more than happy to help the romans ‘manufacture’ Jesus Christ. oh yeah they got josephus to go along with their secret scheme too down the road.

now explain how the romans manufactured the 12 apostles and the fact if this is all for lies, why they all died for lies and exactly what was in it for them?!? nobody dies for lies they know are lies. people die for truth, not for lies.

15 minutes ticking away.


13 posted on 10/11/2013 10:06:25 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Though it should seem important to remember that Jesus was a Pharisee. They were the sect ordaining rabbis through the laying on of hands, and Jesus was referred to as rabbi throughout his career. Moreover modern Judaism also extends from the Pharisaic movement.


14 posted on 10/11/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: HerrBlucher
LOL! Wow, it is amazing the stupid things people will say to get attention. He is going to be in for a shocker when he faces Jesus after his death.

Roger that. There is a way that seems right to a man..............

15 posted on 10/11/2013 10:09:20 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

My, just imagine the shock and heat this guy is going to experience when he learns there really is a hell.


16 posted on 10/11/2013 10:09:51 AM PDT by miele man
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Hang on.

Why would anyone set themselves up as the crucifiers of the Son of God?


17 posted on 10/11/2013 10:11:01 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

This is beyond ridiculous but of course the leftists will celebrate this with full media coverage and force this down the throats of every student, kind of like that global warming b.s.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 10:14:00 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Meh - nothing that hasn’t been said (and debunked) before.


19 posted on 10/11/2013 10:20:38 AM PDT by opus86
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

His thesis is that the Christ is a fraud, my antithesis is that he is a crackpot. The synthesis is that the media is actively antagonistic towards Christianity and Western Civilization values so he gets his publicity. End Results? He and his theory return rapidly to the obscurity from whence they came from.


20 posted on 10/11/2013 10:24:25 AM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
A press release announcing the purported new evidence claims that Atwill has discovered "ancient confessions" that purportedly prove that Romans invented Jesus Christ in the first century. He has long argued that the faith system was used as a political tool to control the masses -- something he says is still going on today.

So, he's long argued that Jesus was made up and now, just happens to find evidence that proves the very thing he's argued all along. How conveeeeeeeeenient.

21 posted on 10/11/2013 10:24:58 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Shut 'er down and leave it.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I’m pretty agnostic about a lot of things but I never have understood why atheists want to insist that there never was a Jesus. It seems like they leave occams razor aside when it comes to this.


22 posted on 10/11/2013 10:27:33 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
On Oct. 19, self-professed Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill is planning to make public some very flammable allegations. At a day-long symposium called "Covert Messiah" in London, England, he's set to unveil purported evidence that Roman aristocrats manufactured Jesus Christ - a claim that, if substantiated, would devalue the core of the Christian faith.

Ping for later

23 posted on 10/11/2013 10:36:28 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

“If substantiated”? Well....that clears things up! The Alien Autopsy would fit under that umbrella too....JFK is being kept alive in Area 51....Amazing “If substantiated”.

There is much foolishness in this world.


24 posted on 10/11/2013 10:41:10 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Roman aristocrats manufactured Jesus Christ

Now why would they do this? So they would have Christians to feed to the lions?

25 posted on 10/11/2013 10:44:30 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Why didn’t he spend his time debunking the myth about Mohammed riding his horse into heaven?


26 posted on 10/11/2013 11:08:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
"On Oct. 19, self-professed Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill is planning to make public some very flammable allegations..."

Gasoline and brake cleaner are "flammable". Allegations are not. I think the word we are looking for here is "inflammatory". But I quibble. Why anyone would give nut-jobs and sensationalists like this even their 15 minutes of fame is almost beyond me. I say "almost" because, sadly, there are enough saps gullible or ignorant enough to buy his book to make it worthwhile.

27 posted on 10/11/2013 11:08:26 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: GeronL

I put more blame on the Jews, that said the blame actually lies on us (humans) He had to be sacrificed so we could live, that was the plan all along.

Can you imagine if He had not come in human form and was not sacrificed for our sins. We’d still be having to depend on Jewish elders to tell us what to do and making animal sacrifices etc... I am glad things turned out the way they did and that the Father loves me (us).


28 posted on 10/11/2013 11:15:59 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: bkepley
"I’m pretty agnostic about a lot of things but I never have understood why atheists want to insist that there never was a Jesus."

I don't think most atheists claim that Jesus never existed, but that he is not who or what Christians claim he is. Some think he was an admirable man, so do not, and some think he was crazy.
29 posted on 10/11/2013 11:32:33 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: fidelis

Gasoline and brake cleaner are “flammable”. Allegations are not. I think the word we are looking for here is “inflammatory”.


Very true. No one ever accused them of being great journalist.


30 posted on 10/11/2013 11:32:35 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm

No problem. You and your laughable theory are incapable of doing so.

31 posted on 10/11/2013 11:35:09 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

The media will grab this and run with it, and many mushbrain low information voters will believe it.


32 posted on 10/11/2013 11:39:58 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: fidelis
"Gasoline and brake cleaner are "flammable". Allegations are not. I think the word we are looking for here is "inflammatory". But I quibble. Why anyone would give nut-jobs and sensationalists like this even their 15 minutes of fame is almost beyond me. I say "almost" because, sadly, there are enough saps gullible or ignorant enough to buy his book to make it worthwhile."

Pretty much anyone who comes out with a radical reinterpretation of Jesus or Christianity immediately becomes a media darling - Dan Brown, Bart Ehrman, Elaine Pagels, Matthew Fox, and many others. Defenders of traditional orthodoxy rarely get a hearing, even if their work breaks new ground or clarifies some ancient controversy or conundrum. However this guy apparently has no scholarly credentials, so he might not get much more than the minimum 15 minutes of fame.
33 posted on 10/11/2013 11:43:06 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: onedoug
Jesus was a Pharisee.

What sources have you for that?

34 posted on 10/11/2013 12:16:11 PM PDT by DManA (t)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
I bet Mohammad was a creation of Middle Eastern merchants.
35 posted on 10/11/2013 12:17:30 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: onedoug

DO WHAT?


36 posted on 10/11/2013 12:20:38 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
"When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare,"

Basically, what this guy is doing is projecting stuff going on in our American empire onto the first century Roman empire. Roman rulers weren't that subtle. Unless you consider nailing people to trees is subtle.

37 posted on 10/11/2013 12:21:14 PM PDT by DManA (t)
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To: The Great RJ
I bet Mohammad was a creation of Middle Eastern merchants.

I'm impressed with your intuition.

I just heard about this book by Robert Spencer the other day: Did Muhammed Exist?

38 posted on 10/11/2013 12:21:27 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Must be heading into the Christmas season. Can’t wait to see the covers on Time and Newsweek! Oh that’s right, Newsweek went out of business.


39 posted on 10/11/2013 12:24:59 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: HerrBlucher

We could pray that he would have an experience like Paul or King Manasseh who sacrificed his kids.


40 posted on 10/11/2013 12:59:07 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
I'd actually have no problem with his thesis, if it weren't for the fact that he's shown himself to be just another chrstianity-obsessed left wing secularist who sees that religion as somehow more "oppressive" and "irrational" than any other religion. I've read somewhere else that he claims chrstianity was created by "the elite" to "oppress" the "common people."

There we go with that "the common people are natural atheist egghead intellectuals until the Elite makes fundies of them" line again. Ridiculous.

Now if he'd said that the Romans created chrstianity to destroy Judaism or to compete with the Jewish Mashiach I'd listen to what he has to say.

41 posted on 10/11/2013 1:01:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Maybe not most atheists but many do in my experience insist that there is no evidence he ever existed.


42 posted on 10/11/2013 1:02:00 PM PDT by bkepley
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Subsistence for the atheists. Proving the negative... blah, blah, blah.


43 posted on 10/11/2013 1:56:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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>> “I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm, but this is important for our culture,” he said

We don’t care, Atwill. But I suggest you try your strategy on the Muslims.


44 posted on 10/11/2013 1:58:47 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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I don't think most atheists claim that Jesus never existed, but that he is not who or what Christians claim he is. Some think he was an admirable man, so do not, and some think he was crazy.

C. S. Lewis said it well in Mere Christianity:

    I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great 
moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." This is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of 
things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or 
else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

Lewis then adds the following comment:

    You can shut Him up as a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us 
not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

45 posted on 10/11/2013 2:02:57 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Excellent read.


46 posted on 10/11/2013 4:07:35 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: DManA

The Gospels primarily, the Pharisaic outlook prevalent throughout Jesus’ message and the strong suspicion that Pharisees had been often flipped from Sadducees during the gospel writing processes.

Hyam Maccoby, “Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance”


47 posted on 10/11/2013 4:34:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Atwil has a huge problem with his theory. If he really believes the Roman government was running a Psyop campaign to pacify Judea, he must admit it was a miserable failure. Judea was not pacified, in fact it got worse leading to open war and genocide with the eventual destruction of Jerusalem.

Another consideration is this Pysop campaign spread and eventually brought down the empire.

Finally, any good Pysoper knows to never kill your key figure and create a martyr.


48 posted on 10/11/2013 7:35:02 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: I want the USA back

This “press release” is a paid for venue to promote the book and dangle a carrot to the MSM. But the atheist Dawkins already grabbed the bait and posted the promo link on his Twitter account.


49 posted on 10/11/2013 8:00:57 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: onedoug

The Pharisees was a diverse lot, and Jesus had more in common with them, doctrinally, than the Sadducees, or the Essenes, but he was too severe a critic of their “tradition.” to be included in their number.


50 posted on 10/12/2013 7:33:06 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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