Skip to comments.Self-Professed ‘Bible Scholar’ Makes Explosive Allegation About Jesus... (Yeah Right)
Posted on 10/11/2013 9:53:50 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy
On Oct. 19, self-professed Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill is planning to make public some very flammable allegations. At a day-long symposium called "Covert Messiah" in London, England, he's set to unveil purported evidence that Roman aristocrats manufactured Jesus Christ - a claim that, if substantiated, would devalue the core of the Christian faith.
The only problem? Most Biblical experts disagree with the scholar's pronouncements.
A press release announcing the purported new evidence claims that Atwill has discovered "ancient confessions" that purportedly prove that Romans invented Jesus Christ in the first century. He has long argued that the faith system was used as a political tool to control the masses -- something he says is still going on today.
"I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm, but this is important for our culture," he said of the alleged debunk - one that he believes will eventually be universally accepted.
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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romas 1:22
Bammy’s a Constitutional Scholar.....
I’m a self-professed automotive expert, and I make the explosive allegation that Henry Ford actually stole his designs from the Model T from cave drawings found along the banks of the Euphrates.
very flammable allegations.
Christians don’t become inflamed when a crackpot spouts heresy. We pray for him.
This is what makes us different.
Of course. Only the most serious scholars go to the press before having their work peer reviewed.
Reminds me of something Satan once said to Jesus: "IF you really are the Son of God...."
why does anybody pay attention to fools like this?
“self-professed Biblical scholar “
I’m a over 50 year old guy who never played football. I think I’ll become a self-professed NFL starting quarterback.
LOL! Wow, it is amazing the stupid things people will say to get attention. He is going to be in for a shocker when he faces Jesus after his death.
I wonder if he includes the part where the leaders of the civilized world got together and said, “Hey, here’s an idea. Let’s recalibrate the calendar based on something that never happened! Show of hands!”
and somehow the romans persuaded the jews in power - the pharisees, the saducees, etc to go along with this. given how much the jews hated the romans i am sure they were more than happy to help the romans ‘manufacture’ Jesus Christ. oh yeah they got josephus to go along with their secret scheme too down the road.
now explain how the romans manufactured the 12 apostles and the fact if this is all for lies, why they all died for lies and exactly what was in it for them?!? nobody dies for lies they know are lies. people die for truth, not for lies.
15 minutes ticking away.
Though it should seem important to remember that Jesus was a Pharisee. They were the sect ordaining rabbis through the laying on of hands, and Jesus was referred to as rabbi throughout his career. Moreover modern Judaism also extends from the Pharisaic movement.
Roger that. There is a way that seems right to a man..............
My, just imagine the shock and heat this guy is going to experience when he learns there really is a hell.
Why would anyone set themselves up as the crucifiers of the Son of God?
This is beyond ridiculous but of course the leftists will celebrate this with full media coverage and force this down the throats of every student, kind of like that global warming b.s.
Meh - nothing that hasn’t been said (and debunked) before.
His thesis is that the Christ is a fraud, my antithesis is that he is a crackpot. The synthesis is that the media is actively antagonistic towards Christianity and Western Civilization values so he gets his publicity. End Results? He and his theory return rapidly to the obscurity from whence they came from.
So, he's long argued that Jesus was made up and now, just happens to find evidence that proves the very thing he's argued all along. How conveeeeeeeeenient.
I’m pretty agnostic about a lot of things but I never have understood why atheists want to insist that there never was a Jesus. It seems like they leave occams razor aside when it comes to this.
Ping for later
“If substantiated”? Well....that clears things up! The Alien Autopsy would fit under that umbrella too....JFK is being kept alive in Area 51....Amazing “If substantiated”.
There is much foolishness in this world.
Now why would they do this? So they would have Christians to feed to the lions?
Why didn’t he spend his time debunking the myth about Mohammed riding his horse into heaven?
Gasoline and brake cleaner are "flammable". Allegations are not. I think the word we are looking for here is "inflammatory". But I quibble. Why anyone would give nut-jobs and sensationalists like this even their 15 minutes of fame is almost beyond me. I say "almost" because, sadly, there are enough saps gullible or ignorant enough to buy his book to make it worthwhile.
I put more blame on the Jews, that said the blame actually lies on us (humans) He had to be sacrificed so we could live, that was the plan all along.
Can you imagine if He had not come in human form and was not sacrificed for our sins. We’d still be having to depend on Jewish elders to tell us what to do and making animal sacrifices etc... I am glad things turned out the way they did and that the Father loves me (us).
Gasoline and brake cleaner are “flammable”. Allegations are not. I think the word we are looking for here is “inflammatory”.
No problem. You and your laughable theory are incapable of doing so.
The media will grab this and run with it, and many mushbrain low information voters will believe it.
What sources have you for that?
Basically, what this guy is doing is projecting stuff going on in our American empire onto the first century Roman empire. Roman rulers weren't that subtle. Unless you consider nailing people to trees is subtle.
I'm impressed with your intuition.
I just heard about this book by Robert Spencer the other day: Did Muhammed Exist?
Must be heading into the Christmas season. Can’t wait to see the covers on Time and Newsweek! Oh that’s right, Newsweek went out of business.
We could pray that he would have an experience like Paul or King Manasseh who sacrificed his kids.
There we go with that "the common people are natural atheist egghead intellectuals until the Elite makes fundies of them" line again. Ridiculous.
Now if he'd said that the Romans created chrstianity to destroy Judaism or to compete with the Jewish Mashiach I'd listen to what he has to say.
Maybe not most atheists but many do in my experience insist that there is no evidence he ever existed.
Subsistence for the atheists. Proving the negative... blah, blah, blah.
>> “I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm, but this is important for our culture,” he said
We don’t care, Atwill. But I suggest you try your strategy on the Muslims.
C. S. Lewis said it well in Mere Christianity: I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." This is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse. Lewis then adds the following comment: You can shut Him up as a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.
The Gospels primarily, the Pharisaic outlook prevalent throughout Jesus’ message and the strong suspicion that Pharisees had been often flipped from Sadducees during the gospel writing processes.
Hyam Maccoby, “Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance”
Atwil has a huge problem with his theory. If he really believes the Roman government was running a Psyop campaign to pacify Judea, he must admit it was a miserable failure. Judea was not pacified, in fact it got worse leading to open war and genocide with the eventual destruction of Jerusalem.
Another consideration is this Pysop campaign spread and eventually brought down the empire.
Finally, any good Pysoper knows to never kill your key figure and create a martyr.
This “press release” is a paid for venue to promote the book and dangle a carrot to the MSM. But the atheist Dawkins already grabbed the bait and posted the promo link on his Twitter account.
The Pharisees was a diverse lot, and Jesus had more in common with them, doctrinally, than the Sadducees, or the Essenes, but he was too severe a critic of their “tradition. to be included in their number.