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Vatican Official: Pelosi Shouldn’t Receive Communion
The Corner ^ | September 26, 2013 | Andrew Johnson

Posted on 09/26/2013 10:08:23 AM PDT by Biggirl

Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke said that Nancy Pelosi should be denied communion because her support of abortion is in conflict of her Catholic faith. He took particular issue with the minority leader’s refusal to comment on abortionist and murderer Kermit Gosnell because she said “as a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground” for her.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: communion; pelosi; vatican

1 posted on 09/26/2013 10:08:23 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Heck, the ignorant sl*t shouldn’t even receive oxygen.


2 posted on 09/26/2013 10:09:35 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Biggirl

Does he have the power to enforce his ruling?


3 posted on 09/26/2013 10:12:51 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Biggirl
A cardinal commenting that nazi pelosi shouldn't receive communion is NOT ... you cannot receive communion.

IOW ... just words

4 posted on 09/26/2013 10:16:43 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Deny her communion, but recommend exorcism.


5 posted on 09/26/2013 10:20:04 AM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: Biggirl

“Should” or “Must?”


6 posted on 09/26/2013 10:20:23 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DoodleDawg

If he is the former Archbishop of St. Louis, Cardinal Burke, who has a very major Vatican post now, he could send a directive to the bishops in the USA telling them to excommunicate Rep. Pelosi. Plus besides he does have the “ear” of Pope Francis.


7 posted on 09/26/2013 10:21:12 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: knarf

A biblical church would impose severe sanctions against any priest or Parrish which violates this decision, including excommunication.

But you’re right, it’s just a strongly worded suggestion at this point.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 10:22:13 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: InsidiousMongo

The Bela Pelosi Excorcism VIdeo...would break ALL records On Youtube


9 posted on 09/26/2013 10:23:32 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Biggirl

Regrettably, he does not have jurisdiction.


10 posted on 09/26/2013 10:26:01 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Biggirl

On a somewhat related topic, I frequently see people claim that Adolph Hitler was a Catholic and that the Church never excommunicated him because they felt nothing he did was against Catholicism. I know Hitler was a baptized Catholic, and I assume that he was not a practicing Catholic as an adult. (Does anyone know otherwise?) As for the excommunication issue, my impression is that the Church normally does not formally excommunicate someone unless they are a member of the clergy teaching false doctrine or behaving in a scandalous manner. Excommunication of a lay person would be rare, and then only if the person was claiming to be an orthodox Catholic. Most people who leave the Church do so quietly and the Church never bothers with the formality of excommunication. Does anyone have any information on this topic?


11 posted on 09/26/2013 10:26:22 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Mad Dawg

I thought that Cardinal Burke was the head of Vatican version of the judicial side, in other words, its version of a “CJ” or chief justice?

Interesting. Do you know who does, or is it not down anymore?


12 posted on 09/26/2013 10:29:37 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
If he is the former Archbishop of St. Louis, Cardinal Burke, who has a very major Vatican post now, he could send a directive to the bishops in the USA telling them to excommunicate Rep. Pelosi. Plus besides he does have the “ear” of Pope Francis.

If he were to do that could the Democrats claim that the church was interjecting itself into politics by punishing Pelosi and then go after their tax exempt status?

13 posted on 09/26/2013 10:32:22 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: InsidiousMongo
Deny her communion, but recommend exorcism.

OMG(oodness). Imagine the amount of Holy Water that would take...

14 posted on 09/26/2013 10:34:16 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Biggirl

All indications are Nancy Pelosi could not care less. She’s subject to no authority other than her own imagined powers.


15 posted on 09/26/2013 10:35:13 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Biggirl

She also shouldn’t recieve another dime of taxpayer money.


16 posted on 09/26/2013 10:35:59 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Thing is, the Dems would have NO SAY in what would be considered an internal Church issue.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 10:36:17 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke said that Nancy Pelosi should be denied communion because her support of abortion is in conflict of her Catholic faith

Burke's been saying this for years. Let me know when something actually happens.

18 posted on 09/26/2013 10:38:58 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

....Yet Pope Francis just excommunicated a priest down under.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 10:39:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

"Should not" or "Shall not"? C'mon, Cardinal, take a stand.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 10:40:31 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Biggirl

If the Roman Catholic Church wanted Pelosi to be denied communion, they have the means to bring about that result.


21 posted on 09/26/2013 10:41:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Biggirl
Thing is, the Dems would have NO SAY in what would be considered an internal Church issue.

They could say that he was using church law to punish a Democrat because she supported something that was legal under civil law. It is not something I would put past them. Democrats will tear down anyting to get even.

22 posted on 09/26/2013 10:41:22 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Jim Noble

Give it time.


23 posted on 09/26/2013 10:41:38 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: DoodleDawg

.....Just like if a bear “passes wind” in a forest. It will stink, but it will all die down after a while.


24 posted on 09/26/2013 10:43:23 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: InsidiousMongo
Deny her communion, but recommend exorcism.

Just make sure there is a large herd of pigs nearby.

25 posted on 09/26/2013 10:55:31 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
You're rigt BUT Pelosi seems to me to be exactly the sort of exception you mention given that she has publicly and clearly stated she believes exactly the same go along to get along, please everyone, “Christian Liberty” garbage the anti-Catholic crowd and the majority of churches other than Southern Baptists and Catholics preach these days.

She also goes on national tlevisioin shows and insists she is an orthodox Catholic who aboies by Church teaching.

Is this the same report as the article references because in this report it looks like Burke and I are in agreement ?

http://www.examiner.com/article/nancy-pelosi-banned-from-catholic-communion

Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion

September 26, 2013

Conservative Catholics -- both politically and religiously -- can now rejoice: due to her House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) longstanding support for abortion, she must be denied Communion under the law of the Catholic Church, said Chief Justice Cardinal Raymond Burke, head of the highest court at the Vatican.

Burke referenced Canon 915, a part of Canon law which states those Catholics who obstinately persevere “in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

As Cardinal Burke noted, “[Pelosi] is a person who obstinately, after repeated admonitions, persists in a grave sin--cooperating with the crime of procured abortion--and still professes to be a devout Catholic.”

This comes after a June press conference where Pelosi was asked if there was a difference between abortion at 26 weeks, and the house of horrors that was the Philadelphia abortion clinic of Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

Pelosi's response: “As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics, and that’s where you’re taking it and I’m not going there.”

Pelosi also has a long history of supporting abortion and and has a 100% rating by NARAL Pro-Choice America. And it probably also doesn't help that she was involved in the creation of Obamacare, and the NHS mandate compelling all religions to pay for contraception, abortions, and sterilization methods, whether the religion allows them or not.

Cardinal Burke said, “This is a prime example of what Blessed John Paul II referred to as the situation of Catholics who have divorced their faith from their public life and therefore are not serving their brothers and sisters in the way that they must--in safeguarding and promoting the life of the innocent and defenseless unborn, in safeguarding and promoting the integrity of marriage and the family."

The cardinal continued: “To say that these are simply questions of Catholic faith which have no part in politics is just false and wrong. I fear for Congresswoman Pelosi if she does not come to understand how gravely in error she is.”

26 posted on 09/26/2013 10:55:41 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Biggirl
A well-versed friend says (more or less) that his position is like that of the chief justice of an almost supreme court.

CJ Roberts could (though one hopes he wouldn't) say that Zimmerman ought not to be allowed to own a gun. But it doesn't count for anything until the case makes its way to his court.

So unfortunately one has (I BELIEVE -- I don't know this stuff)to hope that
(1)the bishops of the diocese where she might want to present herself to receive would take some action; or
(2)the Holy Father who has "universal jurisdiction" (again, I'm just pretty sure that's true) would act.

The reason I think the Holy Father could is that he just defrocked and excommunicate a priest in Australia. So, a fortiori I would think he could slap an interdict on Pelosi and Sebelius. And I wish he would for the good of their souls and as consolation for those of us who approach the altar with Obamacare supporters fore and aft.
27 posted on 09/26/2013 10:55:52 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Hitler had been baptized, as had Josef Stalin. That didn’t keep them from turning into atheistic monsters of mass murder. They both ruled in the name of human perfectibility devoid of divine influence.

Those who point up Hitler’s Catholic origins are usually more interested in attacking the Catholic Church.


28 posted on 09/26/2013 11:26:55 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Mad Dawg; so_real; Biggirl

I’m not sure about the legal position here.

The person who would theoretically have to excommunicate her would be her bishop. The problem is that she’s sort of a hot potato.

She claims she’s under Cdl. Archbishop Wuerl, the famous pro-abortion, pro-gay bishop of DC. But she lives in San Francisco for electoral purposes, so her bishop would be Cordileone, who is definitely anti-abortion, anti-gay norming, and anti-everything-Nancy-bloviates-about.

I hope either that Cordileone will get empowered and do what he should do, or that the Vatican will simply override Wuerl (as they did with the bishop in Australia) and slap her with an excommunication. It might make her think, but if it doesn’t, obviously the warm and fuzzy non-confrontational approach isn’t working either. So maybe she’s just on her way to “the other place.”


29 posted on 09/26/2013 11:45:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

The only way that could change is when and if, Cardinal Wuerl makes the decision to hand his paper in to retire. The next archbishop could very well be very much conservative.


30 posted on 09/26/2013 12:05:41 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: elcid1970
"Those who point up Hitler’s Catholic origins are usually more interested in attacking the Catholic Church."

Or Christianity in general. I see libs all the time trying to present Nazism as a Christian movement run by believing Christians. They can cite a few public pronouncements by Hitler in support of this, but anyone who has studied the issue knows that the Nazi leadership was radically anti-Christian, believing Christianity to be a "soft" religion irredeemably sullied by its Jewish origins. Public statements to the contrary were merely cynical attempts to mislead the German public, as when Obama pretends to be a Christian. (No, I don't think he's a Muslim, I think he's an agnostic/atheist.)
31 posted on 09/26/2013 2:02:05 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: livius

I think you’re right.


32 posted on 09/26/2013 2:49:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Biggirl

Not what Burke said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3071699/posts


33 posted on 09/26/2013 5:07:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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