Catholicism For Protestants

Catholic in the Ozarks ^ | August 22, 2013 | Shane Schaetzel

[Elsie]

It really pushes them over the edge when no one co-operates with their games.

I've told them MINE!

I attend a Wesleyan congregation.

What they gonna do?

Point out stuff it 'believes' that ain't in the Bible??

Ha ha!

[Morgana]

“He certainly make a HUGE impact FOR Christianity”

That he did. Now instead of one Pope there are a million. Now instead of on true church there are a million preaching God only knows what. Thanks to Luther a new church is formed every two weeks somewhere in the world because they can't agree on what to teach from the Bible. It is multiplication by division.

As for that “go and sin boldly” speech made by Luther. That is not only heretical but it implies one can't lose their salvation no matter how much they sin. This is not true. First of all when we become Christian we are to flee from sin. Luther is stating to "sin boldly" and love Christ. Where did Jesus ever say to "sin boldly"? Luther did just this. With his drinking, eating and his women. Once again that is your saint.

[Pajamajan]

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[Morgana]

“Which explains why Catholics constantly are trying to find out what church others attend.

So they can tell us how wrong we are.”

You know that is the pot calling the kettle black!!! I have had Baptists do me that way only to tell me I’m going to hell because I don’t go to their little backwards inbreed country redneck Baptist church!!! They never asked me if I knew Jesus or anything about salvation just “you don’t go to our Baptist church so you are going to hell”. Yea that attitude warms me to their screwed up religion real fast now don’t it?

[Elsie]

Where did Jesus ever say to "sin boldly"? Luther did just this.

Where did Luther say it?

[Elsie]

They never asked me if I knew Jesus or anything about salvation just “you don’t go to our Baptist church so you are going to hell”.

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I hear ya!

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I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

 

I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"

He said, "Like what?"

 

I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"

He said, "Religious."

 

I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"

He said, "Christian."

 

I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"

He said, "Protestant."

 

I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"

He said, "Baptist!"

 

I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of GOD or Baptist Church of the Lord?"

He said, "Baptist Church of GOD!"

 

I said, "Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of GOD, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD?"

He said,"Reformed Baptist Church of GOD!"

 

I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915?"

He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915!"

 

I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

-- Emo Phillips

[Morgana]

“Where did Jesus ever say to “sin boldly”?”

That’s my point. Jesus tells us to flee from sin, he never tells us to sin. As for the Luther quote scroll back I posted one of the links.

[Morgana]

If you feel so inclined watch these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL2Hyve-kwg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLGVSKByrYzsufIKilFHFUDlvpSYFlSuvT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC1_6rGKZqU

[Zionist Conspirator]

And of course, nothing about why Catholics believe in evolution (and that Genesis 1-11 is mythology).

[metmom]

No, they’ll find some fringe kook who mentions your denomination in passing, claim that that’s what your church teaches, and then ask you you agree with him.

Seen it before.

[Salvation]

Where did you get that information.

Catholics, as far as I know believe in creation.

[Salvation]

From the Apostlels Creed,
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and...

[Salvation]

???

[metmom]

That is not only heretical but it implies one can't lose their salvation no matter how much they sin. This is not true.

It is true because our salvation is not based on how little we sin, but on the forgiveness granted to us by God. We are sealed with His promised Holy Spirit and cannot lose it because we cannot earn it. It's based on God's grace, not our merit.

Once again that is your saint.

He's not a "saint". He's not *our* saint*. Nobody prays to him and nobody follows him.

It seems that Catholics have trouble getting out of the mindset that people need to follow a religious leader. Catholics have the pope and priests they listen to. There are administrators of our churches but they do not dictate all that we must do and believe and not following them in spiritual matters is not a sin.

[Salvation]

Jim permits this. He is the owner. That’s my understanding.

[metmom]

I never claimed that it didn’t happen that way.

Anyone who makes a judgment about a person’s salvation based on church affiliation is out of line and they are wrong.

Just as people are not saved by church affiliation, they are not damned by church affiliation.

I have said before and will reiterate, there are saved and unsaved people in every church and every denomination. That changes is the numbers. Some denominations will have higher percentages of saved and some of unsaved, but the church membership is not what saves one. Trusting in the finished work of Christ on the cross on my behalf does.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I have tried to make the point in the past that these little point-by-point defenses of Catholicism to Protestants are really of little use because the fundamental assumptions of the two religions are so radically different. What good does it do to proof text purgatory or infant baptism when one religion teaches that paradise is man's natural state (and once a divine scapegoat takes one's place in hell one reverts to status quo ante) and the other teaches that paradise was itself a period of testing before a translation into some sort of contemplative, spiritual heaven? One sees salvation as a loophole, the other as something that had to be merited even in Eden. All the silly little one-point-at-a-time explanations do no good at all so long as the worldviews of the two parties are so radically different.

[Truth2012]

I think that is right. Catholicism is a religion, many Christians don’t have a religion, so you are arguing apples and oranges.

Many Protestants don’t have a religion, they attend a public worship with other believers.

Some do have a religion, but it is very different than the Catholic religion! VERY different. (Not the same Jesus at all in most regards)

I have been a Christian all of my life, and I have JUST now found a religion that I do enjoy. I have been attending Messianic services with other Messianic believers- and seeing a Jewish service, where the Rabbi talks about Jesus.

I like that. Helps me organize my week and months.

Most of my life I had no religion, other than me and Jesus and some friends and the Bible, and learning about my own faith in God’s word.

Faith and Religion are not at all the same things.

[Salvation]

**(Not the same Jesus at all in most regards)**

Oh, but it is the same Jesus, Son of the Father, Second Person of the Trinity, true God and true man.

Where did you get your mistaken information?

You aren’t talking about Mormon beliefs, are you?

[wmfights]

We (evangelicals) really are bored as well as irked by the incessant promotion of Roman Catholicism and using FR to do so,...

Interesting point. I think this shift at FR has had a direct impact on the amount of traffic and posting at FR. It's hard not to notice that a large number of threads on the news/activism forum are posted by the same posters that dominate the religion forum. As intellectual debate is replaced with the promotion of a skewed perspective why visit the site.