After Five Centuries of Division, Catholics and Lutherans Consider Their Common Heritage

National Catholic Register ^ | 8/21/13 | CHARLOTTE HAYS

[GeronL]

I guess its, uh, nice that the Vatican will admit that Lutherans are Christian too, but why does that require “dialogue”?

[campaignPete R-CT]

The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification (JDDJ) is a document created, and agreed to, by the Catholic Church’s Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999, as a result of extensive ecumenical dialogue. It states that the churches now share “a common understanding of our justification by God’s grace through faith in Christ.”[1] To the parties involved, this essentially resolves the conflict over the nature of justification which was at the root of the Protestant Reformation.

In substance, the PCPCU and the Lutheran World Federation acknowledge in the Declaration that the excommunications relating to the doctrine of justification set forth by the Council of Trent do not apply to the teachings of the Lutheran churches set forth in the text; likewise, the churches acknowledged that the condemnations set forth in the Lutheran Confessions do not apply to the Catholic teachings on justification set forth in the document.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Declaration_on_the_Doctrine_of_Justification

[GeronL]

Trying to rewrite history. Waste of time.

[Mr. Lucky]

Lutherans were excommunicated.

[campaignPete R-CT]

there’s dialogue and there’s dispute.
When disputes are resolved, the argumentative are disappointed.

[GeronL]

The disputants have been dead for centuries

[Campion]

Wow, pure blasphemy

Nothing blasphemous about it. (Luther didn't think it was blasphemous, either. He agreed with it. Do you want me to post the quotation?)

Is Jesus your King or isn't he? What do you call the King's mother?

I'll answer that question: in the Davidic monarchy of ancient Israel, she was called "great lady" ("gebirah" in Hebrew) and was (in protocol terms) the second most important person in the kingdom after the king himself.

[MrChips]

Luther was an insignificant monk in a distant land, whose preaching to the German peasants inspired violence and wide-scale massacres, while his preaching to the German nobility inspired more violence and the confiscation of Church lands and the destruction of Church property. It is wholly understandable that his pleas to Rome fell on deaf ears.

But, yes, of course the world of believers is larger than Catholicism, and the Church, i.e. Catholicism, preaches just that. See Jacques Maritain's "Who is My Neighbor?" for a far more broad-minded perspective than anything I have ever run across from any Protestant author . . . and being a former Protestant, I have read them all.

[MrChips]

understandably.

[ebb tide]

Certain issues? Please name some of them.

What about other issues such as women priests, women bishops, no sacrament of confession, homo marriages, birth control, abortion? Are you in communion with that? What’s to commemorate? Do you think Luther would have been in agreement with all of the above?

[terycarl]

No.. We follow the Bible and do not tolerate pedarasts. We out them and have them arrested instead of hiding them and hiring 500$/hr lawyers to discredit those who have been abused

really???the incidents of protestant clergy involved in such EVIL behaviors FAR surpass those of Catholic clergy.....as do teachers, scout leaders, and numerous other groups.....the Catholic hierarchy certainly mishandled many situations, but it was not the "Church" doing so...but certain individuals. The Catholic church has some sinners within its'ranks and I imagine that protestants do also.

[terycarl]

Christ never taught the infallibility of the Pope the sinlessness of mary

sure He did...I will give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven...what you shall bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, what you shall loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.....protecting the decisions of the Catholic Church from error....as for Mary, Hail, FULL OF GRACE, blessed art thou among women......kind of sounds like the Hail Mary prayer Catholics faithfully say.

Don't come along after 1,600 or so years and try to change Christianity, didn't work then, doesn't work now.

[Secret Agent Man]

Mary’s cousin said that, not Jesus, and in Mary’s own prayer in Luke she admits she needs a savior. sinless people don’t need saving or a savior.

and describing the authority given to men does not prove papal infallibility.

you seem to forget peter was harshly rebuked by paul for sliding back into legalism, apparently not an infallible first pope.

[terycarl]

Mary’s cousin said that, not Jesus, and in Mary’s own prayer in Luke she admits she needs a savior. sinless people don’t need saving or a savior. and describing the authority given to men does not prove papal infallibility. you seem to forget peter was harshly rebuked by paul for sliding back into legalism, apparently not an infallible first pope.

Mary's cousin didn't say that...it was the angel at the Annunciation....Peter being rebuked has nothing to do with anything and Paul was certainly not in authority to have a say over the person whom had been given the Keys to the kingdom of Heaven....Christ instituted one Christian church....not 20,000 denominations, and He promised to be with her until the end of time......close enough for me!!!

[dupree]

What church do you belong to? I’m curious and would like to know how your church survives without passing a collection plate, donations from its members, funds from fundraisers or any other ways to raise money. Please tell me how your church functions without money.