Posted on 07/26/2013 2:04:17 PM PDT by NYer
“Just a limited imagination; but, then again, you’ve been trained that way.”
No, I was not trained that way. That is just all there is.
Irenaeus refers to:
“the only true and life-giving faith, which the Church has received from the apostles and imparted to her sons. For the Lord of all gave to His apostles the power of the Gospel, through whom also we have known the truth, that is, the doctrine of the Son of God; to whom also did the Lord declare: ‘He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth Me, and Him that sent Me.’ We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.” (Against Heresies, 3, Preface; 3:1:1)
Yes, you did make a false claim.
You seem to have a problem accepting what is plainly written; and try to blame ME for it.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgement.
Are you Eastern Orthodox? I ask because a Greek Orthodox chaplain once told me the Orthodox mass comes straight out of the scene in Heaven in Revelation.
I was born, raised, educated and a practicing Roman Catholic until 18. I also attended an evangelical church for years before leaving the Roman Catholic church. If you would like details on why I am now evangelical Christian and you enjoy polite discussions let me know.
I will note there is a lot of dung flinging going on here in the Religion forum. The various sides of arguments are all guilty IMO. Perhaps it is because I am new here posting and that makes it obvious. Perhaps posters here like it and I will get a finger lashing for being new and potentially naive. I can take it since Sister Agnes and Fr. Dolan loved to whack knuckles when I was misbehaving:)
“You seem to have a problem accepting what is plainly written; and try to blame ME for it.”
If you wrote it, then you’re to blame for it.
You wrote this: “Show me, from ANY source, that Mary did NOT die and she now helps Jesus in Heaven.” You’re to blame for it.
No, I am not Eastern Orthodox - although I feel perfectly at home in the Russian Orthodox Church in Communion with Rome and other eastern Catholic Churches. Catholics also believe the Mass is like that in heaven.
Here’s a book about exactly that idea: http://www.amazon.com/The-Lambs-Supper-Heaven-Earth/dp/0385496591
I think it is important to ask ourselves the following. Do we search Scripture to try to prove our theology or do we derive our theology from Scripture?
I believe Iraneus got it right. He said there is Christ, He had the apostles. And we have the Scriptures the apostles handed to us. What they gave us was sufficient for the knowledge of salvation and godly living. We must examine any traditions, edicts and understandings not clearly handed down by the apostles in their NT writings...Scriptures.
Take the Popes, Luther, Calvin and other theologians and examine what they say with what Christ and the apostles meticulously gave us in writing. The Scriptures.
Better yet throw the theologians on both sides out with the bathwater and obey the Words of Christ and His hand selected apostles the Father chose.
Please share where in the Scriptures one would find papal infallibility? I think Peter would be the first to argue the point. He did deny our Lord three times, and was rebuked by Paul for not extending fellowship to Gentile believers.
The actual word “baptize” means to immerse in water. Acts clearly showed those who believed, born of the Spirit were then baptized.
It is interesting to clearly note the sequence of “events” in Acts 10 at Cornelius’ house. Peter preached the Gospel of Christ crucified, buried and three days later resurrected and now seated at the right Hand of The Father. Those assembled clearly had hearts prepared and repentant because after hearing they were filled with The Holy Spirit and then were baptized.
I think the sequence is telling. I will note even before Peter arrived we are told God looked favorably on Cornelius (he was seeking God) and God moves the necessary people (Peter) for Cornelius and others to receive the Gospel. An excellent NT example of the OT truth of God chooses and those He chooses are usually seekers of Him.
He used God with a lower case “g” I think you know where he stands. Recommend you don’t waste your time.
As all Christians know from the evidence of Scriptures Mary was a virgin upon conceiving Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit with the overshadowing Power of The Most High. And we know Joseph was commanded to not have relations with her until the birth of Christ.
Leave it be. Ronnie answered you twice.
Jesus specifically mentioned Adam. So did Paul. He made it clear as with one man sin entered the world and death-Adam. And by one act of righteousness by Jesus we are justified.
You evidently have NO data to show me.
I somehow thought that was the case.
The pea is under the middle shell...
Amazing revelation in what you have WRITTEN here!
1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
There ya go!
My wife just announced that "I couldn't be on that jury." - referring to a local policeman's trial.
"Why not?, I asked.
"Because I think he's guilty, without seeing any evidence."
"You seen SOME 'evidence'; just not all of it. Can't you look at EVERYTHING that will be brought up in the trial and make an INFORMED judgement, based on FACTS?"
And yet another sequence showed folks being baptized FIRST, before receiving the Spirit.
ACTS 19:2, (3-7)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
“You evidently have NO data to show me.”
You evidently can’t admit you posted a falsehood. I somehow thought that was the case.
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