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To: kindred

Actually, I think your timing of the revelation of AntiChrist is too early. Scripture says that in the middle of that week, he will abolish the recently re-established ceremonies that take place in the temple and set himself up as god. It is at this point that everyone realizes this is the Antichrist. It is at that point the Jews realize they have made a covenant with death/Antichrist and realize their lives are in peril. We likely won’t know exactly who he is, as he probably will NOT rule over the whole world, as we’ve been led to believe. You can see that he then starts to try to conquer other strong leaders, as he makes threats against them. They are not under him, if he is making threats against them.

We need to take the whole Bible, not certain passages. This is the problem with all these “rapture” theories. They pick and choose verses that support their theory, but leave out whole passages that talk about Antichrist, and what Christ does when He returns.

At the beginning of the 7 years, we have the 4 horsemen. Then begins the persecution of the Jews and saints. Read Revelation again. God’s wrath does not come until the trumpets and bowls, which ARE God’s wrath. The first 3.5 - 6 years are Satan’s wrath, through the person of Antichrist. He persecutes the “Child”-Israel, and her offspring, the Church. Before God’s wrath, we ARE raptured, as we are not destined to His wrath. People need to read their Bibles, not all these so-called “scholars” that cannot agree. As Scripture indicates, it will be revealed to us in those days...the days we need to understand what is going on. We are to be ready for them, not because we will not see them, as so many believe, but because we will NEED to be ready to do what the Holy Spirit tells us to do in those days. We have got to put aside the teachings of men and seek the Truth. Those who believe we will be raptured at the beginning of the 7 years will NOT be ready (as Jesus spoke about the 10 virgins) and when the persecution and death come will falter in their faith, or be so totally unprepared as to be extremely vulnerable. In Matthew Jesus indicated to the disciples that we’d see these things come to pass.


42 posted on 06/22/2013 8:50:13 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Shery

Another fascinating cornucopia of interdependent details.

There will need to be another actual temple if this plays out literally, and Old Testament prophecies corroborate that. Some do believe Old Testament prophecies are spiritualized away, but I feel that’s too easy an out because events can prefigure or metaphorize other events, due to the work of God fitting into patterns. Ultimately, the way it plays out on earth will answer the question definitively about “how.”


43 posted on 06/22/2013 8:55:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Shery

No need to read more into Scripture than is there.

Several things occur before the AntiChrist is revealed.

The Great Apostasy or falling away, A covenant is signed between the AntiChrist and Israel for Israel’s security, and due to the lack of language regarding the Church in the end times and after the Rapture, it appears the Church Age will have ended in this final 70th week, and the Restrainer will be removed.

The language used is specific at the midpoint in the Tribulation. The AntiChrist is in the temple (dwelling place) and commits the abomination of desolation.

Many interpret this to imply another Temple must be built with a reinstatement of Temple worship for these events to be fulfilled. I see nowhere in Scripture where there is a change in the payment of redemption, nor anything where God changes His dwelling place other than the human spirit during the Church Age.

Even if somebody built a new Temple as described by dimensions in the Old Testament, it isn’t man who decides where God will dwell. God decides where He will dwell.

This ties into the mark of the beast.

If the mark of the beast is a two way communication device mandatory for commerce transactions, able to interfere with our mind’s thinking processes, then many Scriptural timelines make sense.

If we are saved and sin, we fall out of fellowship. God doesn’t cease indwelling because His work is not yet complete. We return to fellowship by a thinking process, namely 1st John 1:9. If we fail, we don’t return into fellowship with Him. If we fell out of fellowship and that process were continually interrupted, then that might also be described for the Body of Christ as a Great Apostasy.

The mechanics would also likely be accompanied by the ability to broadcast ideas into our thinking processes.

If this were to be broadcast and interrupted everybody’s thinking processes and everybody knew they lacked privacy in their thoughts, then all the world would likely remark, “Who can possibly oppose such a person?”

If that interruption occurs where the Holy Spirit indwells, and we are unable to return to Him, the He would not remain, because God does nothing that is good for nothingness.

Even if this is not the implementation of Prophecy, I see nothing that will dissuade those who are anti-christian from pursuing such an end, because they have an insatiable desire to not only grieve the Holy Spirit, but to quench the Holy Spirit. If they can steal a crown from those who are righteous, they will pursue it. If they can steal from God what is His, they will pursue it.

If this were to occur, then it would be a denial of the Son, that which He has sworn to protect and provide. He would then respond with a vengeance.

I suspect it will begin by rounding up and slaughtering all Christians and believers, just as was initiated in the Holocaust with Jews. This is likely in order to reduce spiritual opposition between believers and fallen angels by those who are anti-christian. Just as with Shadrach, Mishach, and Abindigo, I believe Jesus Christ will meet us in the air, establishing the Rapture.

There will be a signing of a covenant, ushering in the Great Tribulation. Somewhere in this time there will either be neural implants or marks worn on the head or hand for commerce. I believe these marks might also be associated with the ability to interfere with our thinking by a third party. When initiated, the 3rd party will attempt to counterfeit themselves in the role of God during the Church Age indwelling the human spirit.

Since the Church Age is made possible by the sacrifice of Christ, these actions will essentially steal His family members. There is significance in the mark of the beast more than a tattoo or simply choosing somebody other than God for a moment. Jesus Christ has warned us for 2000 years regarding the mark. It is more significant that the Holocaust. It is more significant than being decapitated or being martyred.

After the Tribulation, it should be noted we still have a Millennium with a rule of iron. I suspect in that time, the technology will remain, but the control will be placed in the hands of the righteous King. Human history will still have enormous strides to cleanse the mind, our memories, and thinking processes of sin, but this time those who are indwelt are His people, Israel.

We later receive our resurrection bodies, but not for while yet.

Thin how the Hebrew nation was thinking at the First Advent. They were expecting heaven and rose gardens in a twinkling of an eye. The next stages in Things to Come, will be significant, but there still remains a Millennium of human history and even then some time for the Adversary to be loosed before everything is consumed.


77 posted on 06/22/2013 10:29:33 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Shery
We need to take the whole Bible, not certain passages. This is the problem with all these “rapture” theories. They pick and choose verses that support their theory, but leave out whole passages that talk about Antichrist, and what Christ does when He returns.

I find that statement to be completely inaccurate...

120 posted on 06/22/2013 3:56:19 PM PDT by Iscool
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