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1 posted on 06/17/2013 9:34:36 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/17/2013 9:35:03 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

If you take no other lesson from the story,

coat the tips of your bullets with bacon fat.

No 72 virgins for you! /soupnazi


4 posted on 06/17/2013 9:43:54 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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twenty thousand dead Turks surrounded the city, impaled on stakes.

Wow. For an idea of what that looked like, think of Kentucky’s Rupp Arena filled to capacity.


5 posted on 06/17/2013 10:14:14 AM PDT by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: NYer
Barbarism put the barbarians to flight,...

How can that be?

Everyone knows violence never solves anything!

</rolling eyes>

6 posted on 06/17/2013 10:24:37 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NYer
Dracul laughs at this story ( I thought it was a great piece of history)

8 posted on 06/17/2013 10:32:53 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: NYer

Vlad Dracul III was a freedom fighter.

May we all take lessons on how to deal with islam from him.


9 posted on 06/17/2013 10:59:19 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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send Assad to kill off the jihadis... one devil to kill another


10 posted on 06/17/2013 11:01:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: NYer
Vlad III's Romanian name was Vlad Tepes. Here's a self-described counter-jihad blog using that name.
13 posted on 06/17/2013 12:00:31 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To paraphrase (and presage) Orwell, many in western Europe slept peaceably in their beds because rough men stood ready to do violence on their behalf.


14 posted on 06/17/2013 12:25:08 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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“Though Vlad Dracul is—and for good reason—”


Technically, Dracul was the name of his father. It’s a common error I’ve noticed. For our Vlad, it is Dracula, the suffix containing the meaning “son of the dragon.”

He also, so far as I know, wasn’t an atheist. Though, in the books I have read on the subject, they treat him as a religious opportunist. He was Orthodox, and then converted to Catholicism in order to secure the support of Rome. He also married a Catholic bride, or at least that’s how I remember it from the books I’ve read on the subject (it’s been a few years).

His impaling of enemies was most likely learned from the Turks themselves, as Vlad spent some time as a political prisoner among them. His father was forced to deliver him and his brother to the Turks, and it was there that they were trained and educated. Vlad’s brother evidently became the boy toy of the Caliph and would later side against his brother in the conflict.

When Vlad was released, they expected him to be a good vassal, as they had trained him and prepared him for that purpose. Instead, however, he set to work getting revenge almost immediately. First, on the nobles who had hindered the war effort and who had worked against his father. He killed most of them in various strange and unusual ways, and had them replaced by his own people.

It’s difficult, however, to ascertain how bloody he actually was, because a lot of the tales were told by Vlad’s enemies. Since Vlad was the only one fighting the Turks, he put a lot of the other rulers to shame for their inaction. It seems likely that a lot of his cruelty was exaggerated, or perhaps even invented by those who opposed Vlad’s actions.

His tale ends tragically though. I think there are various stories on how exactly he died, but his life does not end in victory. It’s possible someone either killed him by accident in the confusion of the night, or he was murdered. His head was later delivered to the Turks and impaled on a stake, and his body buried elsewhere. His son was also assassinated, and I think his brother later rules for a time.

It’s been awhile since I’ve read my books on the subject, so it’s best to double check my recollection before quoting me on it.


15 posted on 06/17/2013 1:54:54 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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Sheesh. Send flowers to your Mom on her birthday every year but do they call you Vlad the Flower Sender? No! Brush your horse and pet your dog your whole life but do they call you Vlad the Animal Lover? No! But impale a lousy hundred thousand people...


18 posted on 06/17/2013 3:54:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NYer

Vlad Tepes was a soldier of God. I hope he rests in Paradise with Christ.

Thanks for portraying this great and little recognized hero.


19 posted on 06/17/2013 4:55:41 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: NYer

Bram Stoker mixed the legend of Vlad Tepys with that of Helena Bathory, a truly wedged aristocrat who murdered village maidens with impunity and creativity, and came up with his Dracula character which has become the backbone of the modern Goth sub culture.

Most illustrations show Vlad’s impalings incorrectly. A long sharpened stake went up the butt and out the mouth. I know, “thank you for sharing”. But context is everything and if we judge historic events through our enlightened humanistic ethos, we can easily be accused of cultural imperialism. Back then you had to fight fire with fire. Humans can be nasty or angelic, take your pick and live it the way you see it. But try to see it logically.


22 posted on 06/17/2013 7:03:45 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: shibumi

Vlad-fan ping


23 posted on 06/17/2013 7:51:50 PM PDT by Salamander (Uber Alice!)
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