Posted on 04/23/2013 1:31:08 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Because people don't want to listen to Christ?
Where does the Bible say you must be "born again"?
It's better! He says he is the "true vine." His flesh is true food, His blood true drink.
Tread carefully here!
“They didn’t understand and neither do you.”
Then why didn’t Christ call them back.....”hey, you don’t understand, come back!”?
Because they were right in their understanding...they just didn’t want to follow it.
“Jesus wanted those disciples to leave...He made sure they did...”
Where’s the Biblical proof that that was His intention?
LOL.
That’s about as ironic as a person can get, right there.
I feel like the straight man in a set-up but, okay: John 3:3,5.
So what's the come-back? If it were me it would be 'water and the Holy Spirit.'
Define “the church.”
The problem with that is the Pope still says Jesus can’t be found outside the church, whether you are talking big C or little c, it is still an erroneous statement. Jesus can reveal himself to whomever he pleases, inside or outside the confines of any church. That’s what He did for Paul, and I have no doubt He has done so for many others.
We’d do well to remember that Jesus created the church, not the other way around. The church is bound by Jesus, but Jesus is not bound by any church.
Depends on the definition of "church" and "fully."
Of course, as a Baptist, I would say it's difficult but not impossible to be fully following Jesus while remaining in the Catholic Church.
And sorry, dear Pope, "Mother Church" did not give us Jesus. That's ludicrous. Stop giving credit to yourself. GOD gave us Jesus. And "the church" as well as "The Church" did not exist until AFTER Jesus died and rose again.
The Church gave us Jesus.
Mary gave us God.
The Popes gave us Truth.
God, Jesus, Truth demoted.
The Roman Catholic Church, Mary and the Pope promoted.
And we should all bow down.
Didn’t Jesus say : “Except a man join the Roman Catholic Church, he cannot see the Kingdom of God” ???
Oh, wait a minute, no He didn’t
Salvation from what, exactly???
Culturally, it makes no sense to say this is literal. Do you believe that Jesus' DNA is in the wine? really?
The Jewish culture (and remember the words of Jesus are not recorded in the language they were spoken in) is highly picturesque, and the Apostles would have understood it as being representative. Did Jesus WANT to be misunderstood? No. He spoke as people spoke in the time.
What did He mean when He said "When you drink this cup"...was that cup not the 3rd Cup of the Passover, the "Cup of Salvation" as it was and still is known? Passover is a ritual of REMEMBRANCE and SYMBOLISM, not one of white magic with secret talismans. That's pagan thinking. The Cup of Plagues didn't and doesn't hold the literal plagues. When he raised the Cup of Salvation, He was saying His Death paid for our sins, and we should "drink in" that fact. Any first century Jew would have understood it that way. Maybe not the pagans though. They were always looking for "sacred objects" with which to manipulate the gods.
Some folks STILL want to put their trust in objects or "correct procedures," (the very definition of "idolotry") but only Jesus Himself saves.
So did Jesus drink his own blood at Passover? I don't think so. Popes and the Catholic Church have been wrong before, and they are wrong about this.
You prove my point, thanks.
YES!
Or, you could just tell us in a handfull of words instead of linking to page after page after page after page of human philosophers trying to convince each other that they know what they are talking about...
I couldn't say whether the answer to any questions are in there or not...I don't have enough time in this lifetime to wade thru all that...
The faucet gives us water, but we know that the water is greater.
But you have enough time to say the cup is withheld, the bread not broken, and that we could divide the indivisible Lord?
A way to approach the question might be like this. Whatever the state of the man to whom Christ shows grace, the working of that grace is to graft the man into Christ’s body, which is ...
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