Posted on 04/23/2013 9:37:23 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
In a segment titled “God and Hitler,” Gordon Robertson (son of Rev. Pat Robertson), hosted a discussion on the Catholic Church’s response to Hitler. Several errors of fact were made.
1) It is wrong to paint Hitler as a Catholic. Though he was baptized, he excommunicated himself, latae sententiae, when he sought, in his words, to “crush [the Catholic Church] like a toad.” He made good on his pledge by persecuting 8,000 priests, over 500 of whom were killed in concentration camps. He also sought to assassinate the pope.
2) The 1933 Nazi-Vatican Concordat was not a show of solidarity. As Rabbi David Dalin has shown, it was a protective measure designed to protect German Catholics from persecution. In fact, at least 34 letters of protest were sent from the Vatican to the Nazis between 1933 and 1937, culminating in a 1937 encyclical that condemned Nazi violations of the Concordat and its racial ideology. It was smuggled out of Italy and distributed on Palm Sunday to Catholics in Germany. Nothing like this happened in Protestant churches in Germany.
3) It is not true that Hitler met resistance from Protestants alone. There are 800,000 trees planted in Israel that represent the 800,000 Jews saved by the Catholic Church. None have been planted as a tribute to Protestants. During the war, the New York Times twice said the Church was “a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”; Albert Einstein also singled out the Church during the war. After the war, Golda Meir praised the work of the Church, as did the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, and scores of other Jewish organizations.
4) It is factually wrong to say the Vatican archives have “never been seen.” Many scholars have had access. As for Pope Pius XII being “Hitler’s Pope,” it should be noted that John Cornwell, the ex-seminarian who originated this term, retracted it years ago. So why does “The 700 Club” continue to cite it?
I sincerely hope the Catholic Church really means it this time to finally deal once and for all with abusive and immoral priests and bishops. They should be seeing the fruit of what happens by disobeying God's clear prescription for immorality among the leadership - BILLIONS of $$ in payment to victims, HUGE loss of credibility, ALL clerics under suspicion and parents thinking twice before entrusting the care of their children to them. Such losses are devastating but it seems are well-deserved. They are reaping the whirlwind of what they sowed by neglecting to observe the commands of God. It is a lesson ALL churches should take to heart. Do not be deceived, God is NOT mocked, whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
When you form a theology, doctrine or sect that cannot harmonize all of Scripture it is never simple. Our task is to conform ourselves to the Good News, not to conform the Good News to us. If your interpretation requires that you discard all of the Book of James, much of John, and sections of Matthew and other letters of Paul you have it wrong. The Gospel was not intended to be divided such that one portion is applicable to some and other portions applicable to others.
Peace be with you
With the Catholic Churches belief that the church replaced Israel it’s no wonder they can’t rectify what scripture is really saying. Trying to apply all of scripture to all peoples from all times is bound to cause confusion.
I’ve become totally convinced that what the RCC teaches is “another gospel” and admonition from scripture applies to all who deal with it and it’s followers.
The churchy examples of Hugo Chavez and Edward Kennedy tell us otherwise.
Aside from the fact that one verse, taken by itself contradicts a whole body or teaching that faith alone justifies. Scripture cannot contradict itself and that is one rule that needs to be followed in interpretation and too often isn't when it is convenient.
Who decided that Oneness Pentecostals are Protestants?
do they claim that about themselves, or is that a decision made by the Catholics trying to show disunity amongst Protestantism?
Which Protestants don’t baptize? I never heard of one that didn’t. Not all do infant baptism, but rather wait until the person makes a profession of faith in Christ before doing it, but that is not the same as not baptizing.
The Catholic church claims to be the true church. So what if some Protestant church does. Ir’s simply no different than Catholicism in that regard therefore, Catholics are in no position to point any fingers over that issue.
As with the homosexual clergy. Too much homosexual rape by priests of children and the church and it’s adherents giving it a pass. Once a priest, always a priest. Nobody is perfect. If their intent is right. Ad nauseum.
Catholics don’t do divorce, they made up annulments instead, church sanctioned divorce.
You were given freewill for, among other reasons, to be free to err and reject the Word. Your convictions are between you and God. Thankfully, your pilgrimage on earth is not over until you breathe your last.
Peace be with you
Galatians 3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The whole chapter is an indictment of salvation by works and clearly contradicts the one verse Catholics take out of context in James to support works based salvation.
Not true. Jesus Himself said that salvation is by faith, that all that is required of men is to believe.
Matthew 7:16.
"Catholics don’t do divorce, they made up annulments instead, church sanctioned divorce."
I certainly hope this is not another attempt to tell Catholics what our teachings "really mean". I know that I have explained this to you before, but I will do it again. A Declaration of Nullity s not a divorce, it is a finding by a competent ecclesiastical tribunal that the conditions for a valid marriage were never satisfied and that there was no marriage.
Peace be with you
BJesus' commands to believe in is not simply a mental exercise. The actual Koine Greek word used nearly 100 times by St. John was "pisteuo". It means a total commitment of ones life to a complete trust in Jesus. In many of the contexts, St. John's use of the word meant to believe in spite of reasons and pressures to the contrary. As Jesus taught in the Beatitudes, belief requires actions.
Peace be with you.
I do not reject the word of God. I reject the word of the carnal pagan leadership of the RCC.
Very true.
“Begin by removing Galatians 3”?!? In NO WAY does dispensational study of the BIble have need to remove ANY of the Bible in order to understand God’s dealing with man, and His plan for mankind. I’m not sure I understand what you mean by that, if you would like to make it clearer to me.
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Lots of good stuff to capture here.
Catholic church sanctioned divorce.
The Bible does not allow for annulling a marriage.
Jesus Himself said that divorce was permitted for adultery. There is no Biblical basis for annulling a marriage for many of the grounds that the Catholic church allows.
Actions cannot be required TO believe. Belief produces actions.
It does not require them as belief precedes actions. Actions always follow belief.
Well...
Since you responded to 100 and 109; only 101 is left.
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