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To: Morgana

I agree with the idea that the Catholic Church has the right to enforce its beliefs upon those who claim to be Catholic. What I find interesting is two things....

1) To a Catholic, not receiving communion in the Catholic church is essentially denying them salvation. So that means that

2) Catholics believe that a living mortal can deny another mortal either their salvation or access to salvation.

(As a side note, I’m not a catholic and don’t believe most of their dogmas but I do agree that they or any other voluntary organization should enforce what they say is right or what they believe. Force the pretenders out.)


2 posted on 04/09/2013 8:12:05 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: ScubieNuc
"Catholics believe that a living mortal can deny another mortal either their salvation or access to salvation."

Catholics believe that we each have to accept the consequences of our own choices. To permit the unworthy to receive communion would only compound the sin.

Peace be with you

7 posted on 04/09/2013 8:24:34 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Matthew 16:19
Douay-Rheims Bible
Christ to Peter

“And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”


8 posted on 04/09/2013 8:25:22 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: ScubieNuc

No, the priest is not “denying” salvation-—the priest is teaching the tenets of Catholic Theology-—it is his duty to teach the Truth. It is the Free Will of the Catholic to do what they do-—but if they do not believe in Catholicism—then they should never be allowed to receive communion. How could teaching the Truth be denying “salvation” to a person.

Truth is black and white......you either are a Catholic or not. Your beliefs determine it. If you believe in Satanism (homosexual Rites) you are a Satanist-—in mortal sin-—and not in communion with the Catholic Church. To not teach sin or gloss over mortal sin—is evil for the Catholic Church. Confusing the people will lead to no salvation.

Catholic Theology is the most profound and reasoned philosophy on earth. There is nothing more sensible and ethical and consistent. You should read Chesterton’s book, St. Thomas Aquinas (who is the Father of Catholic Theology). It is a profound book on the “thinking” and Logic of St. Thomas.

As you notice-—only the Catholic Church (of Christian Churches) is consistent over 400 years on contraception, abortion, homosexuality, sodomy, divorce, euthanasia, etc.......(ignore Vatican II and after.....since it was a takeover by Marxist homosexuals (Bella Dodd/ Fr. Oko’s report) ).

Take for instance-—the foundational principle....you can NEVER use a human being as a “means to an end”. Never. All other “faiths” and ideologies abuse that concept (and yes, the homosexual priests were NOT Catholic-—they were Marxists who infiltrated to destroy the Church from within). Marxism uses human beings as a means to an end. Individuals have no worth—only the collective.

The Church is supposed to guide the laity to the Truth. It would be wrong for the Catholic Church NOT to teach the Truth to the congregation and point out sin. People need to know what is right and wrong (feelings, too often cloud the intellect) and the priests and bishops spent years dedicated to understanding the profound teaching of the Church.

People can not “know” the teachings of the Catholic Church without spending a lot of time studying and reading-—most people don’t have the time that a priest has to dedicate to the Bible and Canon so thinking is profound and not superficial-—like most people’s thinking. When I went back to college, I was appalled at the “shallow” thinking of the “students”. They had no understanding of anything important—like faith-— even of moral relativism-—and they all profoundly believed in it and socialism and didn’t understand how evil Mao/Stalin/Pot/Hitler’s ideology is. They were useless idiots.


13 posted on 04/09/2013 9:07:38 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ScubieNuc

So when Paul tells the Church in Corinth to expel the sexually immoral (1 Cor 5:2), is that making their salvation dependent on “another mortal’s” (Paul’s) decision, too?


19 posted on 04/10/2013 5:17:37 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: ScubieNuc
"Catholics believe that a living mortal can deny another mortal either their salvation or access to salvation."

Not at all. Out of the Churches (Not just Roman Catholic, but the Scripture as well) good graces established by Moses/Jesus and on your own path of salvation where God awaits with His copy of the Law, your awareness to that Law and your sins/disobedience. Tis better to not have heard of the Law and live in complete ignorance rather than hear the Law and shun God.
43 posted on 04/11/2013 5:55:59 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: ScubieNuc

catholics believe it is a sacrilege - a form of blasphemy - to receive communion while rejecting basic teachings/truths.


54 posted on 04/11/2013 8:22:23 PM PDT by Scotswife
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