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To: CottShop
Thank you my friend for the enlightenment.

Yes, I admit it, and believer in once saved always saved.

I am a believer in predestination, election, God chose some, and passes over others.

Jesus said to his disiples, I have chosen you, you have not chosen me.

God hated Esau, but loved Jacob.

And yes, when we get saved ? God seals us until the day of redeemtion with the holy spirit.

Yes, it's the holy spirit who quickens us i.e. made us alive in christ, it was by no strech of the measure by man's means, efforts, power to get saved.. it was all God all the time.

The word FOREKNOW ?

It has nothing to do with God knowing those who would get saved, and not saved.
How can God ? see down the tunnel of time ? when ? God transends time ? God created time ? God is a enteral being.
How can God see in time ? and at the same time ? chose those in Christ to be saved before the foundations of this earth, universe, and the creation of time ?
Predestination means God before anything was created, time was created, before the earth was created God chose those who would be saved in Christ, he had a pre - designed pupose and plan for them, and to be saved.
The word FOREKNOW meaning has more of a relationalship defintion to it.
Adam KNEW his wife.
Jacob KNEW his wife.
God for knew those, chosen in Christ, before the foundations of this world... as in GOD knew them... not what they would do in the future.
184 posted on 04/08/2013 12:28:47 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

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The word FOREKNOW ?

It has nothing to do with God knowing those who would get saved, and not saved.
How can God ? see down the tunnel of time ?]]

If God can’t see donw the tunel of time, then He could not have phophesied throuigh the prophets, nor directly foretold what was goign to happen to Israel-

[[Predestination means God before anything was created, time was created, before the earth was created God chose those who would be saved in Christ,]]

It can’t mean that- IF it means that hten ‘free will’ is a fake term- there is no such thign as free will- We know however by experience nd by Godf’s word that free will deoes exist- it HAS to exist otherwise therir coudl be no such thign as love- you can’t love soemthign you are forced to accept- if however you have a free will chocie to love or hate soemthign, you CHOOSE FREELY to do one or the other— just as a man CHOOSES to love a woman- IF he were forced to love her- it woudl be nothign more than an empty predestiend ritual devoid of choice and love- It’s the same with good and evil- if we are simply chosen to do evil or good- their is NO choice- the choice has already been made for us- and one can NOT be truly good by choice of their own- so really, evil wouldn’t even be needed- When a person CHOOSES to turn from evil to God, that person is FREELY CHOOSING to love God and to no logner be at enmity with Him— That is TRUE love- not soem forced empty love-


194 posted on 04/09/2013 9:36:55 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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