[ScubieNuc]

The problem is that the Bible doesn’t say that we have or are born with an “eternal” spirit or soul. What it does say is that when we accept Christ as our Savior we take on his immortal spirit as our own. None of your verses contradict that.

1Corinthians 15:54 “So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”

As for the disagreement between what makes us up (heart-physical, soul-spiritual, mind-thoughts or body, soul, and spirit) I don’t see that as changing anything about the destruction of the souls of the unsaved as mentioned in Revelation. That argument/discussion seems like arguing over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin and off the greater topic, eternal punishMENT or eternal punishING.

[Cvengr]

Where does it say we take on the human spirit of our Lord Christ Jesus? Our human spirit is then indwelt by God the Holy Spirit. Our spirit is in our human body which becomes His temple or dwelling place which He has provided.

His human spirit is unique to Him, but we are all of one body, obedient to His Will.

[plain talk]

The problem is that the Bible doesn’t say that we have or are born with an “eternal” spirit or soul.

Perhaps but the Bible does say we are made in the image of God. I thought that always implied an eternal soul but am enjoying the discussion

[caww]

I think it’s really..bottom line...choose life. Whatever awaits those who do not.. is not going to be good.

[American Constitutionalist]

After the fall by man's so called " FREE WILL " rather ?

Mankind after the fall never had a free will because man was under the bondage and rulership of the prince of the air, the god of this world.

A man can not serve 2 masters.

Anyway, after the fall, mankind was spiritually dead...

It was Christ who quickened us, made us alive.

Ephesians 2:

1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2. Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


There was no one, nadda, no one who seeked after God... for all was dead, corrupted.
There is no inherent good in mankind.
The heart is despartly wicked above all things.

If any came to God, or comes to GOD it is credted unto God alone.
The pride of man wishes, and makes himself think that he was the one the sought after God... it was God's holy spirit that made you alive and aware of God.

BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! who is rich in mercy for h is great love wherewith he loved us.

BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! BUT GOD ! and nothing else.
Man keeps trying to stick his nose into what GOD has done.
4. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
( yup, there is that wordL DEAD.. dead means, dead.)

6. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7. That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.



Man's pride likes to boast that he had something to do with it and takes the glory from God.
Sort of like how King Herod III took God's glory and was eaten alive by maggots... not a pretty sight indeed.