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To: plain talk

Hi Plain Talk- I don’t mind sharing at all-

I beleive what I ghad was a very high fever induced due to peritinitis from perforated intestines- Docs didn’t realize the extent of the damage until they operated that night- but suffice it to say I was a very sick pup- the fever was what I beleive to be the cause of hallucinations- I don’t know for sure, but I donb’t beleive I actually died- I think I mgiht have been quite close as I experienced what many who claim NDE’s have said happened with htem- and what is common with foklks very near death (soem claim to have actually died and come back to tell the story)

What happened was I went into convulsions- I remember the hospital bed flipping end for end, the room spinning, and hten the next sensation I had was everythign goign blank briefly, then I felt myself tumbling downward and descendign into hell- I felt extreme excruciating suffocating heat (which could have been a sensation caused by the fever mind you) and then I epxerienced sand engulfign me and further suffocating me- I rmeember tryign to breathe in and fillign my lungs with sand- but I coudl still breathe somehow- but hte sensation fo suffocating was terrible- Insects covered my body and I remember that I couldn’t get rid of them because I was trapped by the sand and couldn’t move- I heard screams and wailing (Which ‘could have been’ the doc and nurses yellign to each other tryign to cool me down- and could have been muffled which I mistook for screamign and wailing- I can’t say for sure)-

I then heard what I took to be God’s voice saying My son- I will give you a test and if you pass, you will not be condemned to hell’ (Which is NOT biblical by any stretch of the uimagination) I remember beign excited abotu hte test because hte heat and suffocation was too much to bear, and then I heard the voice say soemthign alogn htel iens of “You will need to count these sounds”

I then heard a ‘clang’ then aniother- and I counted them- but hten they became faster and pretty soon they were too close togehter to count any longer- I remember weeping because I thought I was doomed to hell forever

Then hte voice said “Don’t worry- there is no hell, you don’t exist” which you would think woudl be a ‘good thing’ BUT it was NOT- at that point I sensed ‘compelte nothingness’ and hten an overwhelming sense of aloneness- I can’t really expalin the terror of this nothingness/aloneness except to say it was like I was just a ‘conscious energy’ that was compeltely alone in the vast universe floating aroudn forever alone- compeltely isolated from God and heaven - not feelign anythign except for loneliness and isolation and abandonment- It wasn;’t the physical terrors of hell, but it was a sense of loss of self and importance and abandonment thaqt really scared the dickens out of me-

Note thaqt I do NOT beleive in pergatory, or in being prayed out of hell once there- or that God will give peopel tests when they end up there- but this was just somethign I experienced as clear as day like aq ‘vivid nightmare’ or lucid dreaming or a dobule nightmare where you feel you are really awake and really experiencign hte the evil i nthen ightmare- I do bleive it was all just a result of the high fever causing the brain to misfire or soemthing- and when it did it brought up perhaps soem of my latent fears into a vivid ‘reality’ or what I took at the time to be a reality-

I’ve studied the phenomenom of NDE’s a bit, and I’m not convinced that peopel actually experience after death experiences, but perhaps more they experience misfirings of the synapses of hte brain that cause VERY lucid and ‘real-like’ hallucinations- The brain is a compelx thing, and I think misfirnings i nthe brain can cause such visions- I will not however stand firm on htis- as I just dfon’t know for sure what the actual truth is, but in my case, I think probably it was just the brain freakign out due to a near death experience coupled with a very high fever-


108 posted on 04/06/2013 9:27:07 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

The epistemology in Scripture discerns between Body, Soul, Spirit. It also discerns Body from Flesh.

The brain and our neurological structures do influence our thinking.

Our thinking is a mental process, identified with the mind, which is part of our soul.

Recall or memory is also part of the soul.

There are portions of our brain which are identified with memory recall.

Our reasoning processes are identified with the mind, part of our soul.

Our thinking may be interrupted by physical senses of the Body, so the brain can influence our soul.

The soul is a common trait of all humans, believers, and nonbelievers.

The human spirit is a discernibly different facet providing just as lucid of perception as the soul or the body. Unbelievers do not understand this, because they do not have a regenerated human spirit. It is given to the believer at the moment of exercising saving faith.

Vivid dreams similar to that which you describe, may be a soulish exercise in the mind, but they also are likely to have been spiritually induced.

The next step is to check and test the spirits. One method of testing the veritablity of those experiences is by study of the Word of God and allowing God the Holy Spirit to sanctify your thinking in your soul, which He does through our human spirit. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

Your experience isn’t simply random electrical charges. That would be noise, like white noise on a TV tube. On the contrary, it had intelligence, and it is ignorantly arrogant to think somehow our insight is manifest only when we relax, because of only our thinking, and not the influence of others.

We can simply recognize, not ignore, such experience, then we can test the causes of the experience, recognizing they also are sentient beings, by the Word of God to glorify Christ. No matter what the situation, through faith in Christ, we remain on the right path.


144 posted on 04/07/2013 12:36:05 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: CottShop

wow that was intense. thanks so much for sharing.


156 posted on 04/07/2013 6:06:00 AM PDT by plain talk
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