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To: FlyingEagle

“It is tradition. Here is scripture discussing tradition.”


I honor Paul’s tradition, which he delivered to us in his epistles. Where does it say it is the Roman tradition, that teaches that Paul was all wrong about salvation by grace, and that we needed the Roman Church, 400 to 500 years after the fact, to set us straight?


101 posted on 03/16/2013 10:45:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You sound grouchy FRiend. Where does it say that? Do you believe tradition somehow ended at the council of Nicea?


106 posted on 03/16/2013 10:55:33 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We Catholics believe in salvation by grace through faith alone.

Absolutely.

The quarrel is over whether faith can be naked apart from works or whether faith always only takes place in a life of love. Whether faith without works is dead or not.

The old canard that we believe in salvation by works is false. Salvation is by faith alone but what constitutes faith, that’s the quarrel of the 16th century.


107 posted on 03/16/2013 10:56:43 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You wrote:

“Where does it say it is the Roman tradition, that teaches that Paul was all wrong about salvation by grace, and that we needed the Roman Church, 400 to 500 years after the fact, to set us straight?”

Let me correct you since it would be wrong to allow you to continue in such errors:

1) The Catholic Church has always taught salvation by grace alone - just as St. Paul did.
2) The Catholic Church was founded by Christ. The Roman Church is merely the leading Church in it. There are 22 churches in the Catholic Church.
3) The Catholic Church was founded by Christ not 400 or 500 years after His ascension but when He was on earth with the Apostles.


124 posted on 03/17/2013 5:29:01 AM PDT by vladimir998
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