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Cardinal joins in Muslim prayer in the Great Mosque of Lyon
Catholic Church Conservation ^ | 25/02/2013 | Chris Gillibrand

Posted on 02/25/2013 10:47:31 AM PST by Gillibrand

The Archbishop of Lyon, Philippe Cardinal Barbarin visited the Grand Mosque of Lyon, and there prayed for the release of a seven-member French family who has been kidnapped in Cameroon and is held hostage. "Does Allah hear the prayers more than our Lord Jesus Christ?," asks the French website Riposte Catholique

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1 posted on 02/25/2013 10:47:38 AM PST by Gillibrand
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To: Gillibrand

Wonder if he’s one of the faction of poofters we keep hearing about too. If so we know where he’d fit right in...


2 posted on 02/25/2013 10:49:52 AM PST by OKSooner (Godspeed, 3-D Danny.)
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To: Gillibrand
Chrislam
3 posted on 02/25/2013 10:58:30 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Gillibrand
Barbarin brought the Latin Mass back to the archdiocese. He is apparently a good pastor. He was also born and raised in Morocco and knows the culture well.

The burden of proof is on those who are accusing him of impropriety.

We know who Barabrin is and what he has done and stands for.

Who is "Riposte Catholique"? What credibility have they?

4 posted on 02/25/2013 10:59:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Gillibrand

Fool - wonder if he also prayed for some of the 270 MILLION murdered by islam in the last 1400 years.


5 posted on 02/25/2013 11:02:21 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Gillibrand

Does Allah hear the prayers more than our Lord Jesus Christ?,”

The answer to the question: “I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father, but my Me.” JOHN 14:6

Archbishop Philippe Cardinal Barbarin: WE PRAY FOR THEM, NOT WITH THEM!


6 posted on 02/25/2013 11:08:39 AM PST by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: Gillibrand
Stand Up for the Truth

Avi Lipkin joins us today for an insider’s look at the latest news from the Middle East. Plus we’ll continue our discussion on “Chrislam,” a movement many emergent churches are promoting.

7 posted on 02/25/2013 11:09:28 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Gillibrand
OK you Catholics ... you have a bigger fight on your hands than argueing with born again Bible believers.

Your ranks need to be purged.

8 posted on 02/25/2013 11:10:59 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Gillibrand

Positioning himself to be the next Pope?


9 posted on 02/25/2013 11:17:24 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: wideawake

You call someone that prays to a false god a “good pastor”?


10 posted on 02/25/2013 11:27:03 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: wesagain

And I wonder how many muslims have prayed Catholic prayers and genuflected when in front of the crucifix.


11 posted on 02/25/2013 11:35:05 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: RnMomof7
You call someone that prays to a false god a “good pastor”?

RM7, I know that you are not a good faith commenter, but I'll respond anyway.

There is zero evidence that the Cardinal prayed to any false god.

That is the unproved accusation I am disputing.

12 posted on 02/25/2013 11:36:31 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Christianity and Islam are utterly and completely incompatible. One celebrates and bears witness to the Son of God made flesh, the Lord and Savior of all mankind,who died for the sins of the world, was crucified ,died and rose again into Heaven and will come again. The other attempts to legitimize a pedophile, murdering desert thug to the status of the former mentioned. No follower of Christ as any business being in the company of such heathen mongrels unless said heathen mongrels have to come to renounce their demon prophet and accepted the love and salvation of Jesus Christ.
13 posted on 02/25/2013 11:50:51 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

none...all Moslems - when entering a church usually are there to destroy it...

I remember telling a bunch of young Iraqi males the story of Jesus’s birth - about the Holy Mother — they laughed...understand I was a member of Blackwater at the time...I didn’t find their ignorance amusing - nor their lack of faith in their own evil indoctrination impressive...Islam is dangerous....


14 posted on 02/25/2013 11:58:31 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: wideawake

He’s in a mosque. What he hell is a Catholic doing in a mosque, saying the Rosary?


15 posted on 02/25/2013 11:58:43 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
No follower of Christ as any business being in the company of such heathen mongrels unless said heathen mongrels have to come to renounce their demon prophet

Wipe the foam from your mouth.

Then think on this: how did your ancestors - also heathens - come to find Christ if Christians were obliged to shun their company?

It's a mosque.

Correct. Have you ever seen a mosque, or this particular mosque?

The mosque in question has a large library, eating facilities, meeting rooms, a lecture hall and other facilities as well as the part that a Christian would describe as a sanctuary, where worship takes place.

Riposte Catholique is painting a picture of a Catholic cardinal shoeless and prostrate on a mat in the sanctuary, crying out to Allah.

I'm going to guess that the actual events of the day do not conform to this fanciful implication.

But, by all means, convict the cardinal without a trial and without any verifiable evidence - I'm sure you believe that this is the "Christian" thing to do.

16 posted on 02/25/2013 12:12:33 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Gillibrand

There is no ‘Allah’.


17 posted on 02/25/2013 12:31:53 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: wideawake
Get your lips off the backside of the Moon God followers pal and wake up. My ancestors had the True Faith bought to them by St. Patrick. Islam is a false, murderous belief system that venerates a murdering pedophile. Who are the saints and the martyr's in Islam? What miracles did Mohammed preform, who's sins did he die for? Do yourself a favor stupid, contrast the life of Jesus Christ with that of Mohammed.
18 posted on 02/25/2013 12:53:51 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
My ancestors had the True Faith bought to them by St. Patrick.

And what did they believe before that Catholic bishop arrived in their midst?

Why was it acceptable for him to seek out their company, but unacceptable for this Catholic bishop to witness among other unbelievers?

Do yourself a favor stupid

Just to clarify: you claim to be a Christian, correct?

19 posted on 02/25/2013 1:03:21 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Cowgirl ....please don’t “genuflect” during our forum, I just mopped the floor!..... :^]


20 posted on 02/25/2013 1:57:15 PM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wideawake

I’m a Catholic. My pagan ancestors worshiped their gods the same as yours did. Saint Patrick preached a message of love, for God the Father, Jesus and one another. He didn’t teach them to go out and start slaughtering people in his name or Gods. What business does any Christian have in a mosque? ‘’Witnessing’’ to what, a creed that is intolerant to every other faith and makes no bones about it? A creed who’s founder was a murdering , illiterate degenerate who raped a nine year old child and seduced his own daughter-in-law? A creed that sanctions lying and ‘’honor killing’ and calls my Jewish brethren ‘’pigs and monkeys’’and whom Heinrich Himmler called ‘’the perfect religion for the warrior’’? You dodged every question I put to you. What miracles did Mohammed perform and who’s sins did he die for? Contrast the life of Mohammed with that of the life Jesus Christ.


21 posted on 02/25/2013 9:10:25 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wideawake; jmacusa

You’re not very “wide awake.”

The moslum prayer is a complete denial of Yeshua, his diety, and his saving blood.


22 posted on 02/25/2013 9:16:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Are you ‘’wide awake’’? Did you read my post? You’re preaching to the choir here. Maybe you can answer the questions I posed.


23 posted on 02/25/2013 9:30:09 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wesagain

Islam hasn’t murdered 270 million. That number is way bogus.


24 posted on 02/26/2013 6:38:38 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: jmacusa
"No follower of Christ as any business being in the company of such heathen mongrels unless"

Can you provide a scripture of Jesus commanding us not to be in the presence of sinners?

As long as the Cardinal didn't violate any Catholic rules, I think reaching out to the Muslims is a good thing.
25 posted on 02/26/2013 6:47:09 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach
"Islam hasn’t murdered 270 million. That number is way bogus"

NOT TRUE! Here's is the evidence...

1400 Years of Islam.... Dr. Bill Warner

26 posted on 02/26/2013 8:32:55 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain
NOT TRUE! Here's is the evidence...

This has come up before -here- The 270 million number has been thoroughly debunked. It's based on bad assumptions and spurious math, not fact.
27 posted on 02/26/2013 9:03:00 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

OK - Maybe you’re correct.......250, 230, 200 Million murdered?, beheaded?, burned?.....look at this century, millions more! What’s your point?


28 posted on 02/26/2013 10:09:39 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: jmacusa
Perhaps you're being deliberately obtuse.

Upthread you said that Christians should avoid the company of heathens.

However, St. Patrick - himself an exemplary Christian - did not avoid the company of heathens.

Why should Cardinal Barbarin reject St. Patrick's example and take your advice instead?

29 posted on 02/26/2013 11:06:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

These heathens kill. They worship death, hate Jews and Christians and are determined to keep on killing. Answer the questions I put to you bozo or shut up.


30 posted on 02/26/2013 11:21:37 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

And what has your reaching out done for you? Have you converted any of these animals? Why is all this ‘’reaching out ‘’ one way? Christians doing the ‘’reaching out’’ and not Muslims? My Catholic faith tells me to resist Satan and all his false promises and all his works.Islam is that false promise and Mohammed was Satan. As ‘Ive told that other idiot, contrast the life of Mohammed with that of Jesus Christ.


31 posted on 02/26/2013 11:29:10 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Colossians 3:5-6. Galatians 5;19; 21. Matthew 7:6.


32 posted on 02/26/2013 11:40:14 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Corinthians 5;11, 6;14.


33 posted on 02/26/2013 11:45:52 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wideawake

Nobody understands why a french Catholic bishop would do this, with an imam who condemned the kidnapping of 7 french adults and children by African Muslim terrorists and led his followers in prayer that they be released. Or why the story could possibly have been made public, it’s almost like he hopes his puzzling actions with this imam who prayed for the hostages to be released are spread far and wide, for some strange reason. It truly is a puzzle that may be beyond our understanding for all time. Obviously.

Freegards


34 posted on 02/26/2013 11:46:08 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: wesagain
"OK - Maybe you’re correct.......250, 230, 200 Million murdered?, beheaded?, burned?.....look at this century, millions more! What’s your point?"

The true number is around 10 - 20 million. You're still trying to inflate the number. If you read the post you'll see it's about the same amount as Christianity.

Thou shall not bear false witness is the point.
35 posted on 02/26/2013 11:57:27 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: wideawake

“Then think on this: how did your ancestors - also heathens - come to find Christ if Christians were obliged to shun their company?”


Simple, we aren’t commanded to not preach to them. We are commanded to shun their sins and false religions, and are not to give aid and comfort to enemies of God.

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”(2Co 6:14-18).

And again,

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
(2Jn 1:9-11)

Praying with false religions certainly violates the spirit of scripture, which will not tolerate any false religion to share a sense of equality with Christ. Islam is a false religion, and we cannot agree with it under any circumstance, or commune with them under any religions context, even in the smallest of things.

Our commandment is simple, Go and preach to all nations, teaching them Jesus. And our example is easily seen in the works of the Apostles, who went around the world crying “Repent!” and urging all to give up their false gods.


36 posted on 02/26/2013 12:10:34 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: jmacusa
Are you honestly arguing that Jesus commanded us not to take the gospel to every single person on earth?

Is that really the argument you're trying to make?

Because if you apply Corinthians 5;11 or the rest of these scriptures you've referenced the way you're trying to do, 99.9999% of all Christians shouldn't be allowed near a church.

Maybe you should look at the story of Jonah. Jonah was sent to preach to a lost city that God intended to destroy. If Jonah followed your direction an entire city would have been destroyed.
37 posted on 02/26/2013 12:12:56 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Maybe you ought to live among the head-choppers pal or peddle your bs on some other web-site. In case you haven’t noticed this isn’t a Muslim-friendly web-site. In any case go fly a kite, Islam’lover.


38 posted on 02/26/2013 12:20:30 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
You signed up last October just to posit the moral equivalency of Islam and Christianity? Or are you generally a shill for atheism and found this a convenient way to lash out at two religions at once?

I bet you enjoyed doing that almost as much as you enjoyed voting for Obama twice.

39 posted on 02/26/2013 12:31:52 PM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jmacusa

Why was it good for St. Patrick to go among the heathen?


40 posted on 02/26/2013 1:49:21 PM PST by wideawake
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To: MeOnTheBeach
Here's another one on FR today from the religion of totally fricken SICK ignorance!...

"Sharia Justice: 14-Year-old girl brutally raped and then charged with adultery was lashed to death"

41 posted on 02/26/2013 3:04:52 PM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wideawake

“Why was it good for St. Patrick to go among the heathen?”


Why are you responding to that instead of responding to my post? Are you going to insist on confusing “going to sinners” with “praying with them,” the latter is the obvious sin?


42 posted on 02/26/2013 3:28:34 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Amen! Well said. I will never understand how a religion founded on human passions of fatalism, despotism and sensualism and founded by a man, though he considered himself to be divine , gave no proof of this by working miracles or by any sanctity in how he lived his life, is something to be venerated.


43 posted on 02/26/2013 8:51:44 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wideawake
The heathen of Ireland weren't commanded to go forth and kill and they certainly didn't behead St. Patrick. They accepted the love and salvation of Jesus Christ. Islam has repudiated every other faith, violently. You talk of reaching out''. Are Muslims in Pakistan, Nigeria or Iraq ''reaching out to Christians in any of these countries? No they're not. Islam attacks Christians across the world on a daily basis. If this is logic then 9/11 was the mother of all ''reaching out''. It marks those who leave it for death.This is '' reaching out? None of this is ''reaching out'', it's a fatal moral idiocy.
44 posted on 02/26/2013 9:15:45 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: OKSooner

“poofters’’. LOL! Shades of Monty Python . “Meeting will come to order. Read the rules Bruce’’ “Thank you Bruce. Rule number one: “No poofters.’’


45 posted on 02/26/2013 9:22:02 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Are you going to insist on confusing “going to sinners” with “praying with them”

You apparently insist on confusing "whatever an anonymous blog says" with "documented fact."

What we do know: the Cardinal visited the mosque and he thanked the community there for their concern and efforts on behalf of the kidnapped French citizens.

The claim that the Cardinal participated in Islamic prayers is an unsubstantiated allegation lodged by an anonymous blogger with an admitted agenda.

46 posted on 02/27/2013 6:30:42 AM PST by wideawake
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To: jmacusa
The heathen of Ireland weren't commanded to go forth and kill and they certainly didn't behead St. Patrick.

The heathen of the mosque of Lyon were calling for kidnapped Frenchmen to be freed by militants and to be returned unharmed to their families. They did not behead Cardinal Barbarin or anyone else.

They accepted the love and salvation of Jesus Christ.

While St. Patrick was fortunate enough not be killed by the heathens of pre-Christian Ireland, they were more than happy to "go forth and kill" other Christian monks and missionaries. Pre-Christian Ireland was not exactly an idyllic place. It was a violent, clannish culture.

Moreover, Christian Ireland also had its violent moments. One of the key historical dates in Irish history was the Battle of Cul Dreimhne, in which the forces of Saint Finnian of Moville fought a brutal battle with the associates of Saint Columba over a stolen copy of the Book of Psalms.

As a result of the battle, many men were killed and Columba was forced to flee Ireland and settle in Iona.

Traditionally the Christian O'Donnells would bear the case holding the recovered Psalm text into battle, believing that its possession gave them the power to defeat any rival, Christian or pagan. That relic still exists and is in the National Museum.

You talk of reaching out''.

No, I don't. Don't put words in my mouth.

What I did say, and still say, is that Christian clergymen should not avoid the company of unbelievers. They have an apostolic responsibility.

You said upthread, in an amusing bit of melodramatic chest-beating: "No follower of Christ as any business being in the company of such heathen mongrels unless said heathen mongrels have to come to renounce their demon prophet."

You are simply wrong. A follower of Christ has every motive to go among unbelievers who are clinging to false beliefs and to teach them by example that their prejudices about Christ and Christians are wrong.

Your words and attitude show us that you believe in living down to Muslims' lowest opinions of Christians.

We are supposed to provide the better example.

47 posted on 02/27/2013 6:52:07 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“You apparently insist on confusing “whatever an anonymous blog says” with “documented fact.”


And you apparently insist to dodge the issue entirely when faced with an insurmountable argument. Unfortunately, you still distort it. It is not that he prayed ISLAMIC prayers. It’s that he prayed WITH Muslims, an ecumenical prayer as if all present were equals, despite their prayers to entirely different gods. He even mentions Allah, as if he can hear prayers the same as our God.

To pray with them, under any form, as if speaking to the same deity, or even as if they are equals in any way, is to commune with infidels and give their religion a respect and authority they do not deserve.

2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

We are to stand as outcasts and warriors against a world that would have us exist as only “just another religion,” with no claims of exclusivity. But Christ is exclusive, and their religion is antiChrist. Our duty, then, is to evangelize them, not humor them.


48 posted on 02/27/2013 9:38:47 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
It’s that he prayed WITH Muslims

Again, this is an unsubstantiated assertion.

He met with them and thanked them for their advocacy of the kidnap victims - that's documented.

The supposed liturgical activity is not.

49 posted on 02/27/2013 10:08:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I'm not interested in your convoluted arguments for sucking up to the head choppers and apparently so are others here. To me Muslims are scum.Get lost.
50 posted on 02/27/2013 12:05:50 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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