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Study: 'Toxic Perfectionism' Major Part of LDS Women's Depression
KSL.com ^ | Feb. 1, 2013 | KSL.com

Posted on 02/14/2013 3:33:33 PM PST by fattigermaster

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To: Holly_P

I concern myself more with the hell bound. After one has been trodden down, they can get back up but hell is forever.


You ain,t alone i worry about it too.


101 posted on 02/16/2013 4:40:02 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Colofornian

I mean, these articles are not done “expose’” style of the person behind the study...therefore, are you really claiming that Mormon church-owned media outlets are highlighting somebody who is “preying on Mormon women?”


No, i said nothing about expose or the Mormon Church owned media, i just doubt the honesty of the writer who claims to be a Mormon and also a therapist who wrote the story.

I don,t think a faithful Mormon would write a story that would make the Church look like a piece of crap, but a therapist who expose,s the sufferings of Mormon women in his own church has got to be really something in the eyes of the non Mormon women, money money money.

It is nothing uncommon at all for people to become a member of a Church just for financial rewards and i believe this to be especially true in the Mormon Church.

If the same story would have been written by a Catholic about Catholic Women i would not trust it and neither would any one else except maybe the Mormons.

Would you not wonder if the guy was a real Catholic or not?

If it had been any one except Mormons no one would have believed it, and that is putting it mild.

So my first comment on the subject was about not believing that a real dedicated Mormon would write such
a story.


102 posted on 02/16/2013 5:56:46 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

Elsie, i was reading all of that stuff from the Mormon founders 50 years ago, i did not believe it then and i do not believe it now.

My only argument on this whole thing is that some Mormon therapist writes a story about how Mormon women feels inferior.

I don,t know if you read the story or not but it sure smells of financial and notoriety to me, a faithful Mormon would not write such a story even if it were true any more than a catholic would.


103 posted on 02/16/2013 6:25:52 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

You are right; but vague, since you never explain the OTHER false religion besides MORMONism; leaving the jurors to ASSUME you meant Christianity - MORMONism’s biggest enemy.


I am not sure we can make any since to each other because i do not consider religions including Mormonism to be Christian,
That does not mean that i don,t think that there are not Christian people in these religions.


104 posted on 02/16/2013 6:37:08 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: svcw

(Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)


Finally something we can agree on, unless there is fine print some where that i did not see..


105 posted on 02/16/2013 6:47:28 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
i just doubt the honesty of the writer who claims to be a Mormon and also a therapist who wrote the story.

Maybe these dudes are finally waking up and deciding to TELL the world about MORMONism.

I hear that a BUNCH of MORMON disgruntleds are going to be doing some kind of protests at their churchs TOMORROW.

106 posted on 02/16/2013 6:50:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
I don,t think a faithful Mormon would write a story that would make the Church look like a piece of crap...

Yeah; the indoctrination of members runs deep and subtle...


 



 
"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )



107 posted on 02/16/2013 6:51:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Elsie, i was reading all of that stuff from the Mormon founders 50 years ago, i did not believe it then and i do not believe it now.

Oh?

Why not?

It's sourced...

108 posted on 02/16/2013 6:52:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf

I’m not sure all all what you just typed means...


109 posted on 02/16/2013 6:54:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Do ANY of you damned SLC mormons reading this, who has gotten any information from your church, that old B.Y. was:

damned for not following your Scripture found in D&C 132:58-66?


What in the hell are you mad about now?


110 posted on 02/16/2013 6:59:23 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: svcw

Again, you use the phrase “mormon haters” and have yet to provide one example of this illusive hate.


OK, i will say accusers, does that make you feel better.


111 posted on 02/16/2013 7:04:45 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

I’m not sure all all what you just typed means...


If you are not angry why are you doing all of the cussing,,, just kidding.


112 posted on 02/16/2013 7:07:57 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

Oh?

Why not?

It’s sourced...


You are not the sorceress are you?


113 posted on 02/16/2013 7:13:03 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

Maybe these dudes are finally waking up and deciding to TELL the world about MORMONism.


Who knows, that is why i do not trust it.


114 posted on 02/16/2013 7:21:46 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: fattigermaster

what exactly is wrong with striving to be perfect? Are the lib media now saying it is to be abandoned and everyone should be losers like them?


115 posted on 02/16/2013 10:07:38 PM PST by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: ravenwolf
What in the hell are you mad about now?

Once again yuou either m iss the point or avoid it: just like MORMONs have avoided reply #59.

116 posted on 02/17/2013 4:01:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
OK, i will say accusers, does that make you feel better.

Are they any, ahem, 'accusers' that have NOT shown the evidence?

If so; those would be MORMONs.

117 posted on 02/17/2013 4:03:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
If you are not angry why are you doing all of the cussing,,, just kidding.

I am merely repeating what Living Prophet® #2 has said.

Why are you confused over just WHO is angry?

118 posted on 02/17/2013 4:03:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
You are not the sorceress are you?

Dance around, try to deflect, attempt humor, avoid dealing with historical facts.

Can't Millet teach his mush heads amy better than that?

119 posted on 02/17/2013 4:05:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Who knows, that is why i do not trust it.

Well now; we're getting somewhere!

Admitting you don't know is a good first step.

Now then, if you can get in contact with your EMOTIONS over this matter, you might determine the source of your distrust: the messenger or the message.

120 posted on 02/17/2013 4:08:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
what exactly is wrong with striving to be perfect?

Crawl up the steps 'til your knees are a bloody mess; if it makes you feel any better.


1 Corinthians 9:27

121 posted on 02/17/2013 4:13:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

You’ll make NO points with MORMONs; once they find out your have a damnable CREED on your FR homepage.

(BTW; thanks for the ink!)


122 posted on 02/17/2013 4:15:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Glad you're kidding, considering YOUR first reply in this thread:


More bull manure.

2 posted on Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:40:19 PM by ravenwolf


123 posted on 02/17/2013 4:18:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
I lived in the Mormon community for years and was even married to a woman who became a Mormon and believe it or not the Mormon women want to rule the roost just as much or more than women from other denominations and my wife is not the only one i got this opinion from.

Was?

Can I assume that you are no longer married to this MORMON woman?

124 posted on 02/17/2013 4:21:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Also i usually take up for the down trodden.

When a person has been trodden down themselves, and they escape it, it's only natural that they usually DO tend to try to help others trapped in the same situtation.

125 posted on 02/17/2013 4:23:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
...tell the jurors what you are talking about...

The natives are getting restless...

126 posted on 02/17/2013 4:24:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome
Now thatz just plain cruel....

But it may work just as effectively.

I've heard that all going through the temple on the same day; get the SAME name!

But; those are SECRET!

While these are not...

127 posted on 02/17/2013 4:33:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Can't Millet teach his mush heads amy better than that?


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


128 posted on 02/17/2013 4:41:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf

” how Mormon women feels inferior.”

Note: They feel inferior. The church doesn’t make them feel that way. They put the burden on themselves. They can just as easily take it off.
It’s not just a Mormon thing. Yes, the church teaches submission to men but so does the Bible. The “keeping sweet” principle is Mormon in nature but it is still voluntary. “Keeping sweet” doesn’t mean you have to work full-time and clean the house until it is spotless.


129 posted on 02/17/2013 4:45:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: fattigermaster
While Utah does have the highest rate of antidepressant use in the United States, there is no evidence that this is because of stress from the LDS lifestyle and culture.




130 posted on 02/17/2013 4:45:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fattigermaster
"It's extremely important that we do more research to understand how and why these drugs are used and the link with other chronic conditions," David Sundwall, director of the Utah Department of Health, said in a press release.

Stay tuned...

131 posted on 02/17/2013 4:47:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AppyPappy

” how Mormon women feels inferior.”

Note: They feel inferior. The church doesn’t make them feel that way. They put the burden on themselves. They can just as easily take it off.
It’s not just a Mormon thing. Yes, the church teaches submission to men but so does the Bible. The “keeping sweet” principle is Mormon in nature but it is still voluntary. “Keeping sweet” doesn’t mean you have to work full-time and clean the house until it is spotless.


That is right,
I serviced heaters, cook stoves, washers back in the fifties, was in most every house in the Mormon town where i lived, i did not see any difference between the Mormon women than any one else, and this was including a clean house, i was a little suprised because i expected to.


132 posted on 02/17/2013 5:15:53 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

I’ve never seen a difference. The only difference I see is the number of kids and that leads to a messy house, especially if the wife works. The ward in the next county consists basically of one family and it has 300 members. It’s all the families that married into that family and all their kids and who married them.
Well, there’s all that weird Mormon schlock that seems to show up at every house but that’s another story. It’s harmless but weird. And that whole “We are really into family. Our family is the most important thing. We want the best for our children unless that child leaves the Mormon church”. I’ve noticed that has calmed down a bit though.


133 posted on 02/17/2013 5:31:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Elsie

...tell the jurors what you are talking about...

The natives are getting restless...


Would be glad to if they ask a direst question, as long as it is not a misleading one.

But to start with, the thread was not about the gospel but about how hard Mormon women had to work, gee whiz can,t they find something besides the work ethic to condemn them on?


134 posted on 02/17/2013 5:35:20 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

When a person has been trodden down themselves, and they escape it, it’s only natural that they usually DO tend to try to help others trapped in the same situtation.


Right, reformed drunks thinking that because they could not handle their wine that no one else can and can become the most judgmental people in the world, no one else could stop them from drinking but some how they think they can handle some one else,s problem.


135 posted on 02/17/2013 5:47:12 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

Was?

Can I assume that you are no longer married to this MORMON woman?


Right, she divorced me.


136 posted on 02/17/2013 5:50:30 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

Admitting you don’t know is a good first step.

Now then, if you can get in contact with your EMOTIONS over this matter, you might determine the source of your distrust: the messenger or the message.


It has nothing to do with EMOTIONS and i already know the source of the distrust, a turncoat is not trust worthy to one side or the other and may not be trusted by either side.


137 posted on 02/17/2013 5:58:55 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Elsie

Why are you confused over just WHO is angry?


I have already told yo that i was only kidding, it is right there in the comment.

Get back in the kitchen Woman.


138 posted on 02/17/2013 6:03:44 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: AppyPappy

Well, there’s all that weird Mormon schlock that seems to show up at every house but that’s another story. It’s harmless but weird.


Right and i don,t think there is any church any where that every one is going to agree with, in my opinion many people have religion and faith confused.

Luke ch 6
27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.


All of the comments made here about the Mormon people are not even defended by the Mormons them selves, if there is i missed it, so it appears to me that they are doing just what Jesus said to do, to turn the other cheek
and not to meet accusations with accusations.

Too bad more people don,t think of the faith individuals show by these simple little things, i am not defending the Mormon religion any more than any other religion but just seeing the good in people in spite of their religion.

My prayer is that i can put what faith i have into the works Jesus said to do.

And if i am ever accused of being a Christian, i sincerely hope my accusers can come up with some kind of evidence.


139 posted on 02/17/2013 7:47:12 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: AppyPappy

“Note: They feel inferior. The church doesn’t make them feel that way. They put the burden on themselves. “

Oh, sure. Mormon women can “put the burden on themselves” by accepting the condemnation, disappointment and rejection by their husband, family, extended family, friends, church leaders, mormon high priests, and just not worry about eternal failure, lack of resurrection if their husband is not pleased with them, being stuck in a lower level of heaven and forever away from the presence of God.
It’s only all their relationships, authorities and their mormonic gods.

Those silly mormon women must be amazingly weak to put that burden on themselves!

Instead, they should just smile and not worry about any of it.


140 posted on 02/17/2013 9:15:55 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Elsie

Been to Santa Scala. That’s separate to the topic. What’s wrong with striving for perfection? If they want to — we can criticise what they consider as perfection, but the striving for a definition of perfection is good — that is what we Christians should also be doing — striving hard to follow our image of perfection: Jesus Christ, 100% man and 100% God, of one being with the Father and the Holy Spirit, Triune Godhead.


141 posted on 02/17/2013 9:41:57 AM PST by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Maybe they could just not worry about it. Herein lies the problem. You view women as victims. I don’t. A woman can easily say “If you want the bathroom cleaned, clean it”. The Mormon church won’t kick her out. Shoot, they seem to do anything to keep people.
These women set the bar for themselves. The church can ask them to dress up in prairie dresses everyday but they don’t have to do it. In the late 18th century, a whole ton of women directly disobeyed the church by staying in polygamy. They didn’t have a problem opposing the church.
The reason the women did everything is because they were too lazy to ask someone else to do it. I vacuumed the house yesterday and you don’t hear me bitching about my oppression. Freeper, please.


142 posted on 02/17/2013 11:25:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ravenwolf
The church doesn’t make them feel that way.

You seem so positive...

143 posted on 02/17/2013 11:43:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
The church doesn’t make them feel that way.


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice

144 posted on 02/17/2013 11:45:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
But to start with, the thread was not about the gospel but about how hard Mormon women had to work,

Bull manure

145 posted on 02/17/2013 11:46:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
It has nothing to do with EMOTIONS and i already know the source of the distrust, a turncoat is not trust worthy to one side or the other and may not be trusted by either side.

NoW you've just dissed St. Paul.

146 posted on 02/17/2013 11:47:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
I have already told yo that i was only kidding, it is right there in the comment.

And it was right in my reply.

Now then: Was BY a madman for saying what he said about MORMONs being DAMNED or not?

(I hope this is DIRECT enough...)

147 posted on 02/17/2013 11:48:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
And if i am ever accused of being a Christian, i sincerely hope my accusers can come up with some kind of evidence.

Well; the jury has been looking for some in this thread; but all they have seen is scripture spouting and they KNOW that Satan can do that...

148 posted on 02/17/2013 11:50:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
What’s wrong with striving for perfection?

That's what this thread is about.

149 posted on 02/17/2013 11:51:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The church doesn’t make them feel that way.

You seem so positive...


Sorry i have already left that thread and went to one of about the same subject but has not got me bored yet.

Its called,
Is the Pope facing International Criminal Prosecution?


150 posted on 02/17/2013 11:51:36 AM PST by ravenwolf
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