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How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties
The Christian Century ^ | Feb 07, 2013 | Daniel Burke

Posted on 02/12/2013 8:13:24 AM PST by Alex Murphy

Every age needs an Antichrist.

Protestant Reformers picked the papacy as their embodiment of evil. American colonists chose King George III and some Cold War Christians suspected the Soviet Union was satanically led.

Now, amid threats of Islamic terrorism, a nuclear-armed Iran and tumult across the Middle East, a growing group of American evangelicals say the Antichrist will be Muslim.

"I understand that I'm going to be viewed as a fringe, apocalyptic Christian," said Joel Richardson, author of several books predicting an Islamic Antichrist. "But I fully own the idea that the Antichrist will be a Muslim and will come out of the Muslim world."

These days, even the fringe has a faithful following. On websites, television programs, conferences and books, conservative Christians like Richardson warn that a Muslim Antichrist will lead army to arise and attack Israel, in fulfillment of the biblical prophets and the Book of Revelation.

From there, they say, it's a short road to Armageddon.

"Today, we're seeing the beginning signs of that exact prophecy coming to pass," warns Richardson.

Scholars say the arrival of Islamic Antichrist prophecies was, well, predictable.

"I think the shift to Islam was just waiting to happen," said Glenn Shuck, an assistant professor of religion at Williams College who has studied evangelicals' views on the apocalypse.

A certain kind of Christian, sometimes dubbed "armchair apocalyptists" or "newspaper exegetes," seems especially inclined to cast their foes as agents of the Archenemy. The Antichrist they identify, scholars say, often reflects the era's deepest anxieties.

For many modern Christian apocalyptists, fears of big government are embodied in an Antichrist who will unite nation-states in a totalitarian One World Order.

Since 9/11, though, Islamist terrorism has ascended as a new threat, and lept from the front pages to apocalyptic thrillers like the "Left Behind" series and nonfiction books such as Richardson's "Mideast Beast" and "Islamic Antichrist."

Richardson, a 40-year-old decorative painter from Missouri who jokingly refers to his writings as "an expensive hobby," presents his prophecies as straightforward interpretations of the Bible, including the Book of Revelation.

Revelation, which never actually uses the word "Antichrist," is one of the first Christian texts to cast its rivals as Satan's spawn. Many scholars say phrases like "the mark of the beast" and "666" are coded references to the Emperor Nero, who persecuted Christians.

For many early Christians, however, the Antichrist was not a particular person. It was spiritual figure who lurked in the hearts of all believers, luring them toward sin and heresy, said Shuck.

By the 12th century, the Antichrist – often seen as a human inhabited by Satan – had become a tool for identifying an enemy, fomenting fear and assembling an army.

"The Antichrist moves a long way from Augustine's view of something that we all face inside us," Shuck said, "to being very much an external battle with concrete figures."

Popes used the Antichrist to rally Crusaders. Reformers used the Antichrist to battle popes. Northerners saw the Antichrist in the slave-holding South, and Southerners saw the same specter in the abolitionists.

In the modern era, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, U.S. presidents, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, England's Prince Charles, and even megachurch pastor Rick Warren have all made the Antichrist list.

Apocalyptic Christianity always needs an enemy, scholars say, and the Antichrist is nothing if not adaptable.

"The Antichrist idea is very responsive to changes in current events," said Robert Fuller, a professor of religious studies at Bradley University in Peoria, Ill. "It's a symbol for what is most unsettling or troubling."

Antichrist prophecies raise fears by warning of an imminent battle between good and evil, Fuller said, and settle those fears by assuring Christians that the "good guys" will win in the end.

If bad theology, the Antichrist often makes for good reading, as attested by the more than 60 million copies of "Left Behind" books sold.

Prophecy may not be the best career option, however. Jerry Falwell's Liberty University closed its Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy just one year after it opened in 2002.

"It never did attract hardly any students, so we shut it down," said Ronald Godwin, Liberty's provost. "The students were looking for a major that would land them a career."

A press release for Richardson's book "The Islamic Antichrist" begins by noting a threat on the author's life, then asserts that "90 percent of the current world fighting involves Islamic terror movements."

"Theories presented in'The Islamic Anti-Christ' continue to grow in popularity as the world watches the injustices of Muslim law spread across the globe and infiltrate many sectors of U.S. society," the release says.

Not all apocalyptic Christians agree with Richardson, however.

Richardson's own press release asserts that Hal Lindsay, perhaps the most famous modern-day doomsayer, is one his staunchest critics.

Tim LaHaye, co-author of the bestselling series "Left Behind" and one of conservative Christianity's most respected apocalyptists, doesn't buy Richardson's theories, either.

"His book is interesting and informative," LaHaye said in a recent interview, "but his argument on the Antichrist is ridiculous." LaHaye and his ilk say the Antichrist must come from Roman stock, and point to modern-day Romania as his likely birthplace.

Muslim leaders and progressive groups are even more critical of Richardson.

Eric Boehlert, a senior fellow at the group Media Matters, said Richardson popped onto his radar after a 2011 appearance on Glenn Beck's now-defunct Fox News show.

"If Richardson was saying these things about Christianity or Judaism he wouldn't be able to get a pamphlet published," Boehlert said, "but unfortunately, there's a market in right-wing America that's decided Islam is pure evil."

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said calling Islam or any other religion evil often leads to violence. Earlier this month, for example, a Muslim family in Oklahoma reported that their home had been attacked by a sniper after an individual asked about their religion, according to CAIR.

"There's a question we should ask of all hatemongers who attack Islam," Hooper said. "What is your end game here?" —RNS .


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Protestant Reformers picked the papacy as their embodiment of evil. American colonists chose King George III and some Cold War Christians suspected the Soviet Union was satanically led. Now, amid threats of Islamic terrorism, a nuclear-armed Iran and tumult across the Middle East, a growing group of American evangelicals say the Antichrist will be Muslim....

....A certain kind of Christian, sometimes dubbed "armchair apocalyptists" or "newspaper exegetes," seems especially inclined to cast their foes as agents of the Archenemy. The Antichrist they identify, scholars say, often reflects the era's deepest anxieties. For many modern Christian apocalyptists, fears of big government are embodied in an Antichrist who will unite nation-states in a totalitarian One World Order....

....In the modern era, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, U.S. presidents, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, England's Prince Charles, and even megachurch pastor Rick Warren have all made the Antichrist list....Prophecy may not be the best career option, however. Jerry Falwell's Liberty University closed its Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy just one year after it opened in 2002.

Contrary to popular belief, the Antichrist dreaded by so many Christians will actually usher in a new era of peace and prosperity, a maverick theologian contends. "The Antichrist's rise to power is nothing to fear," declares Bible scholar Jon Hornsworth of Atlanta. "He will be a unifying figure whose sound policies revitalize the global economy and put an end to international conflict."

Most people familiar with End Times prophecies in the Book of Revelation assume the Antichrist will be an evil dictator. But that's dead wrong, the expert says. "Nowhere in the Bible is the word 'evil' used to describe the Antichrist," Hornsworth notes. "For that matter, 'Antichrist' isn't in there either -- the Bible calls him the Beast. That suggests a being like the one in the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast -- fearsome and misunderstood, but ultimately turning out to have a heart of gold. "I anticipate a figure like Julius Caesar -- a strong but fair leader. He'll impose stability over much of the world."
-- from the thread Antichrist (you read it right) will be peace and prosperity on Earth

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THE APOCALYPSE WON'T BE ALL THAT BAD . . . says famed theologian

1 posted on 02/12/2013 8:13:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

666, THE ANTI-CHRIST:


Of course, the name Nero adds up to ‘666’ in Greek.
But there is more

[Dt 17:15-17] “He whom you set over you as king must be your kinsman....But he shall not have a great number of horses;
nor shall he make his people go aback again to Egypt to acquire them, against the Lords’ warning that you must never go
back that way again. Neither shall he have a great number of wives, lest his heart be estranged, nor shall he accumulate
a vast amount of silver and gold.”

So there are at least 3 major things a king must never do:
1) great number of horses -——————war chariots/large army.
2) great number of wives -——————worship false idols/gods
3) accumulate vast amt. gold/silver——gold/silver—> greed;

King Solomon was a prototype of a great King who had gone bad of which the entirety of 1 Kgs Chps 10&11 detail very nicely:
[1Kgs Chps 10 &11]

GREAT # HORSES: LARGE ARMY
[1 Kgs 10:26] “Solomon collected chariots and drivers; he had one thousand four hundred chariots and twelve thousand drivers.”

GREAT # WIVES: WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS/GODS
[1 Kgs 11:1] “King Solomon loved many foreign women besides the daughter of Pharaoh, from nations which the Lord had forbidden
the Israelites to intermarry, “because” he said “they will turn your hearts to their gods”. But Solomon fell in love
with them. He had several hundred wives of princely rank and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart.”

ACCUMULATE VAST AMT. GOLD/SILVER: GREED
[1 Kgs 10:14] “The gold that Solomon had received each year weighed six hundred and sixty-six gold talents.” (666 and listed first within 1 Kings 10&11)

666 WITHIN REVELATION


[Rev 13: 17-18]
“so that no one may buy or sell unless he has the mark , that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its
number is six hundred sixty-six.”

Look at the above quote, ‘this calls for wisdom’. ‘WISDOM’ is a reference to Solomon(Solomon was renowned for and prayed for wisdom) in [1Kgs Chps 10 &11] who
was a prototype for a king who went bad and whom in [1 Kgs 10:14] taxed his people 666 talents of gold per year. So it would seem that the beast or Anti-Christ
is typically a national or even a larger world stage figure(through conquest) with large armies, vast amt. of gold/silver or greed, and who is against(anti) Christianity
and/or worships false gods. This certainly applies to Nero. Moreover, this figures within the 20th century with Hitler, Stalin , Pol-Pot, and Mao.
Which are all anti-christs leading up to the final anti-christ of the end times. So thus, the general and precise meaning of what John and Revelation are getting at.
What John wrote about in Revelations and 666 is not really about counting up letters in a name, that is rather an insignificant part.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 8:21:22 AM PST by RBStealth
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To: Alex Murphy

“The Antichrist’s rise to power is nothing to fear,” declares Bible scholar Jon Hornsworth of Atlanta. “He will be a unifying figure whose sound policies revitalize the global economy and put an end to international conflict.”

Well gee, then I guess Christ won’t need to return for the 1,000 year reign. I wonder if anybody has told him yet?


3 posted on 02/12/2013 8:23:48 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Scholars [liberal atheists who infest universities] say the arrival of Islamic Antichrist prophecies was, well, predictable.
4 posted on 02/12/2013 8:29:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Interesting how people who disagree don’t just disagree, they attack.

I think it’s obvious Islam is evil. And where they get that the anti christ comes from Rome. I believe he’ll surely come from the Middle East. And that, to me, means his ancestry is Middle East.

Finally, anything or anyone who is against Christians, is an anti christ. And we know there are plenty of them. And the one in our white house is certainly no friend of Israel. And neither were the “New World Order” Bushes.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 8:31:54 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’ve never heard of Richardson. Lindsey’s book, “1980’s, Coundown to Armageddon” was the spark that led me to the Lord. However, I caught him in a bald faced lie in his book, “A Prophetic Walk Through the Holy Land”. IMO, LaHaye’s Left Behind books are dangerous. They so champion the flawed “pre-tribulation rapture” theory that a lot of people are going to be sorely damaged when they are “left behind”. I say that as a believer in “pre-wrath”. See here: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1164/5125780963_ccbd162473.jpg

I see what many call the “antichrist” as the beast. And as some say, he really will be perceived by most to be a blessing to mankind. Well, kinda like Hitler was seen as a blessing by many Germans, Jews and some others excluded, of course. And the bible even goes as far as to say the days will be cut short so the very elect is not deceived.

It is now what many who dabble in the subject believe. That being said, I have come to where I think the false religion in the end times may, in fact, be islam. But time will tell. Those watching carefully will know it when they see it.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 8:32:11 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Alex Murphy

He’s in the white house.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 8:33:28 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: RBStealth

When quoting another webpage be sure to include the source information so the moderators can enforce copyright restrictions. Do you have a source for post #2?


8 posted on 02/12/2013 8:34:43 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Alex Murphy
"Nowhere in the Bible is the word 'evil' used to describe the Antichrist," Hornsworth notes. "For that matter, 'Antichrist' isn't in there either -- the Bible calls him the Beast.

Anti-Christ is anti (against, opposed to) Christ, which would also mean opposite Jesus. Jesus is good, anti-Christ is evil.

However, he has a trait which causes people to not recognize him. He "appears" to be good.

And the fact that he fools so many people is what gives him so much ground in a relatively short period of time.

He is full of deceit and he fools people until the time that he is revealed.

9 posted on 02/12/2013 8:38:25 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“The Antichrist’s rise to power is nothing to fear,” declares Bible scholar Jon Hornsworth of Atlanta. “He will be a unifying figure whose sound policies revitalize the global economy and put an end to international conflict.”

Well, he's right...as long as you're willing to bear the mark of the Beast.

But if you're not, it's gonna be one hell of a time.

10 posted on 02/12/2013 8:38:55 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Slyfox
Hornsworth

Catchy name, considering the subject and his position on it.

11 posted on 02/12/2013 8:41:03 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Satan himself will appear as an angel of light.
I believe that those who take his number on their forehead or right hand will do so willingly, enthusiastically.
The inhabitants of the earth will surely view him as savior and will give him all their adoration and allegiance.
Followers of The Way will be viewed as THE PROBLEM, a cancer on society. So, this cancer must be removed...and so it will be. Hitler promised all sorts of things, and that is part of the reason for his rise to power.
I believe that the rise of Hitler was a "dry run" of sorts.
12 posted on 02/12/2013 8:43:19 AM PST by TxAg1981
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To: Alex Murphy

I heard the anti-Christ was going to be from Winnipeg or Des Moines...


13 posted on 02/12/2013 8:45:43 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Interesting how people who disagree don’t just disagree, they attack.

I think it’s obvious Islam is evil. And where they get that the anti christ comes from Rome. I believe he’ll surely come from the Middle East. And that, to me, means his ancestry is Middle East.

Finally, anything or anyone who is against Christians, is an anti christ. And we know there are plenty of them. And the one in our white house is certainly no friend of Israel. And neither were the “New World Order” Bushes.


14 posted on 02/12/2013 8:47:57 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: cuban leaf
You've heard of Joel Richardson...you've just forgotten.

He's a prolific writer on the subject of islam.

15 posted on 02/12/2013 8:50:39 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Terry Mross
Interesting how people who disagree don’t just disagree, they attack.

Well, you have to consider that we're in the Religion Forum!

war room

16 posted on 02/12/2013 8:53:48 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: RoosterRedux

Interesting. But no, I’ve never read his stuff. I mostly focus on the bible and internet sources these days. A came up with a lot of my beliefs regarding this subject by arguing against my own positions.

It hit me about three years ago that this “false religion” could be islam, not some modern Christian hybrid. Thing is, there is a LOT of change that will be needed to get to that point, but I think a LOT of change will happen in the next year or two. It’s funny how a single day can change everything. e.g. December 7th, 1941.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 9:03:37 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Terry Mross

To put it in a summary. Islam is Satin’s minions on earth because they are EVIL. They are our enemy and we must resist evil with every breath. Love your enemy but resist evil. I got your 70 virgins right here if you want them! Anyone who would strap a bomb on a downs-syndrome child and send them into a market place then set off the bomb is evil. My God stamped “LOVE” onto the forehead of children with downs-syndrome. To use them to kill is total EVIL. Evil is here in the US, we are allowing them to build training camps/compounds and letting them use our own PC laws against us to further their Jihad. Just dogpile or google Islamabad NY if you want to wake up.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 9:04:10 AM PST by Ab Alius Domitor ("In the end; the winner")
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To: Alex Murphy
The Muslim world seems like fertile ground, from which an antichrist would spring. It has already been the place of countless evil people and traditions. Islam is hell on earth, and the logical place from which evil will wield it's power.

The Muslim world with nukes = the end times.
19 posted on 02/12/2013 9:07:12 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Ab Alius Domitor; Alex Murphy

And a muslim is about to become the CIA director.

Alex, I meant the writer and those the writer quoted. Not the poster here.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 9:14:20 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: cuban leaf

I agree with you. If you look in Scripture, you see that Daniel was told to seal the book, that the events would be recognized at the time of their unfolding, which is what I see happening today. If you look at the beast empires, which all surrounded Israel then, and still do, and look at their Biblical names, looking at who they were them and now, you see that all 10 nations are alive and well. They all have one purpose, to drive Israel into the Med. and to kill off every singe Jew worldwide, to include those grafted into God’s family, the Christians. Most people are totally unprepared. They read books about the Bible, and NOT the Bible. To all these, I say you’d better get back into The Word and prepare. You have been deceived by well-meaning, but still basically wrong teachers, who are leading millions into a rude awakening that will destroy their faith, not enforce it. Go to youtube and listen to Walid Shoebat. We lived in Turkey for 6 years, so I trust what he has to say. Having lived there and visited Israel 4 times, I feel that we have an American view of the Bible that is way off and needs grounding in the Biblical lands so that we understand the stories of the Bible and God’s purposes for including them in canon. Our American Bibles, with their commentaries tend to bring up children of those commentators, and they have a bias against anything that doesn’t go along with the notes their Bible uses. This is destructive, and why I agree totally with Kay Arthur. We don’t need anybody else’s notes to understand Scripture. All we need is to study and ask God for His wisdom in understanding it.

Think of the Christians enduring persecution in muslim lands now. They are nearing extinction! Think of the fact that 3 horns will be taken down of the 10, and you see that possibly unfolding in the ME today. All the 10 countries are in the ME. None in the EU, except Turkey, whom I expect to leave at any time now. Turkey is making its way to become the Caliphate again. They are quite successful, I would say..


21 posted on 02/12/2013 9:33:57 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Alex Murphy; All
I've always been puzzled by the prophesy of Armageddon.

1. How could an army invade Israel with the US standing guard over Israel?
2. In 1983 when Syria bombed northern Israel, US carrier forces went so far as to load up tactical nuclear weapons for fear of a possible invasion. (Bet you didn't know that one did ya!? :-) )
3. The only way for the Muslims to invade Israel like they keep threatening to do, is for the US military to be rendered ineffective.
4. I always figured that the US would be nuked or something prior to Armageddon.
5. My mind has changed. We have liberals in our government that are gutting the US Military to the point that we can't project power or defend our allies.
6. Liberals that hate Jews and love Muslims. They love Muslims so much they even redirect NASA to do Muslim out reach.
7. When Obama finishes with his efforts, Israel will stand alone. Now I can see a clear path for the Muslims to invade Israel and Armageddon.


22 posted on 02/12/2013 9:37:11 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: TxAg1981
I believe that those who take his number on their forehead or right hand will do so willingly, enthusiastically.

I think you're right on with this assessment. I've always believed we Americans were a hearty breed, but with abundance has come a certain apathy. And then, when our abundance is threatened, instead of fighting for what's right, we turn to someone to save us. Need proof? Just look at the economic downturn of late 2008. Americans, who just a few short years before would've never considered a socialist for President, willingly ran into Obama's arms and ate up his "hope and change" mantra. Americans were so terrified of losing their 401k's, they bought into the first huckster that came along.

When the anti-Christ does finally rise, times will be much worse. And once again, the sheeple will look to a "savior" to take care of them. And as you stated, they'll willingly and enthusiastically take the mark.

23 posted on 02/12/2013 9:44:57 AM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Shery

Two things:

1. little of your post would have made sense in 1947, and I think you know what I’m driving at.
2. The “Americaninzation” of Christianity frustrates me as well. It is not about Americans. It is about Christians. And, not to sound too nutty, I don’t think American flags belong in churches. They are not secular organizations. I’m seeing little in the NT about patriotism. The bible is about two things, the second of which is a subset of the first: Man’s relationship with his Creator and man’s relationship with his fellow man.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 9:48:43 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Actually I wrote it myself. Since when is there something wrong with that. Its my material concerning a book review I did. But then again just to be clear, my material, my writing from what I learned.

I have 62 book reviews on Catholic books up on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Soon-Unlocking-Revelation-Applying/product-reviews/193101826X/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R39V4YXBCH425U


25 posted on 02/12/2013 10:04:00 AM PST by RBStealth
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To: Alex Murphy

I heard an anti-christ theory on one of the local religious radio stations the other day. I thought I’d heard them all but this was a new one to me.

According to this guy, The Anti-Christ is actually Nimrod. He died 5,000 years ago and his tomb, somewhere in Egypt, has been guarded faithfully by a secret cult as the body of the god Osiris up until this day. This body will be given life and arise to become the Anti-Christ.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 10:04:56 AM PST by DManA
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To: Alex Murphy
Likening the reformers picking the papacy as “their embodiment of evil” or antichrist, in context of the thread, and the colonists resisting King George is really, bad comparison. Yes, Islam is evil. The entire chapter nine of Revelation is about it. Islam is the smoke from the pit. It is antichrist, but not THE Antichrist. It had its prophesied 1290 years already which ended in 1335 on their calendar, as prophesied, with the Abolishment of the Caliphate following WW1, as prophesied. The whole idea of one person being THE Antichrist is extremely weak hermeneutically. A better term would be man of sin, or mystery of iniquity. Also suggesting that every generation identifies the current politically correct evil as the antichrist of their time is flawed. Robert Fleming identified the man of sin as the Papacy and called for the French Revolution specifying even the expected year, a hundred years in Advance. In fact this link shows many, many who identified the pope as the man of sin from 1300s to the 1800s. http://www.remnantofgod.org/4fathers.htm
27 posted on 02/12/2013 10:09:30 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (fulfilled)
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To: RBStealth

It’s probably a compliment to you that some other Freeper questioned it, i.e. remembered reading it elsewhere. LOL


28 posted on 02/12/2013 10:18:08 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

and I have posted it here in another thread before!


29 posted on 02/12/2013 10:21:45 AM PST by RBStealth
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To: MeOnTheBeach
What prophecy of Armageddon? There is only one mention in all of scripture. Rev 16:16. It is listed only as a gathering place of the three unclean spirits "to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty". However, no battle is clearly, immediately discussed. Instead the seventh vial is poured out afterward.

The unclean spirits, armageddon, and the drying of the Euphrates are all mentioned in the same context of the sixth seal. The drying up of the Euphrates was and is widely viewed by Historicist as referring to the drying up of the Turkish Muslim power, centered at the source of the Euphrates. In fact a seqence of maps showing the extent of the Ottoman Empire flipped through would look like a movie of the drying up of the Euphrates.

This drying up was completed in WWI. Note that the key battle which freed Jerusalem in WWI was actually fought at Armageddon. There was considerable public discussion at the time as to whether WWI was Armageddon. Much more to say but no time and space.

One of the most convincing arguments that it was, that I have ever seen, was actually a minister at the time arguing that it wasn't. He argued before the actual battle at Armageddon. Once that happened it killed most of his points against it being so.

There is a great battle discussed in Rev 19:19, but there is nothing clear at all to make the connection between that and Rev. 16:16s Armageddon.

30 posted on 02/12/2013 10:31:33 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (fulfilled)
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To: Alex Murphy

How the Antichrist reflects the era’s anxieties...

So true. It’s tough playing god when you know you’re not God.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 10:40:18 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Alex Murphy
What are the actual Biblical Characteristics of the scriptures used to teach an anti-christ dictator

2 Thes 2

First there must be a great apostasy. A great apostasy could be followed by great reformation. Hint :-)
Exalts himself as God. See papal bulls, infallible etc.
Sits in the temple(God people in the NT) of God exalted as God. Note, the pope was literally seated above the sacrament which was taught as the ACTUAL body of the Lord.
Something was holding it back in Paul’s time waiting for it to be revealed. Imperial pagan Rome held back the papacy.
It will have power signs, and lying wonders. Selling of indulgences, miraculous trinkets etc.

Dan 7

Three horns (king or kingdoms of Romes ten kingdoms) plucked up by it. The Heruli (493A.D.), Vandals( 534 A.D.) and Ostrogoths(538 A.D.) were eliminated.
Eyes like a man. (Guided by flesh not God?)
Speaks great things (blasphemies in other verses) see papal bulls
Makes war against the saints i.e. Foxes Book of Martyrs
Shall change times[Pope] Gregorian calendar.
Saints in his hands 1260 yearsexactly fulfilled many explanation on net

Rev 13

Speaks blasphemies- see above
Power for 1260 yearssee above
He shall be worshipped in the “known” world 1514 Papacy said none oppose
Does wonderssee above
Kills heretics who would not worship it
Causes people to receive a mark
The number of his name = 666 = filii dei = dux cleri = italika ekklesia = lateinos = helatine basileia=ludovicus

Dan 9

The prince that would destroy the city was Titus and fuliflled in 70 A.D.. It has nothing to do with the other passages. The "he" in verse 27 which confirms the covenant and ends sacrifice etc. is refferring to the main subject of the passage Christ.

32 posted on 02/12/2013 10:55:25 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (fulfilled)
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To: Shery

Consider that prophetic Israel might not be the Old Israel, just like prophetic sodom is not the old sodom, prophetic bablyon is not the old babylon, prophetic Egypt is not the old egypt.

Prophetic Jerusalem is a land of unwalled villages. In fact there are many marks of prophetic Israel which cannot fit old Jerusalem. Also, Jesus very clearly indicated the kingdom was taken from them, and the would NEVER produce fruit again.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 11:00:20 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (fulfilled)
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To: longfellow
I knew somebody was going to post that, and you're right.

Back when Clinton was President and the Paula Jones scandal first broke and everyone was talking about "What was the odd characteristic of the President that Paula Jones saw when Slick dropped his trousers?", I was joking that she saw the number 666 tattooed on his schwanz.

34 posted on 02/12/2013 11:06:47 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: cuban leaf; Shery

I am curious do you see anything in the NT about the kingdom? I hope you don’t believe that the kingdom, which the parable of the tares says has children of the wicked on in it, is only spiritual, or only future. That is hermenuetical suicide.


35 posted on 02/12/2013 11:06:56 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (fulfilled)
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To: EyeSalveRich

I don’t understand your question or comment. Sorry.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 11:15:06 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
You said The “Americaninzation” of Christianity frustrates me as well. It is not about Americans. It is about Christians. And, not to sound too nutty, I don’t think American flags belong in churches. They are not secular organizations. I’m seeing little in the NT about patriotism. The bible is about two things, the second of which is a subset of the first: Man’s relationship with his Creator and man’s relationship with his fellow man.

Patriotism is defined as devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

Scripture says seek first the kingdom of God. It becomes very important what the kingdom is. If you define the kingdom as something which is only spiritual (not a biblical idea) then it is entirely different than if you believe Rev. 11:15 that the kingdoms of this world are become the kindom of Christ. Dan 7 says the same.

Further you use church as a building. Common, but not biblical or correct for your argument. Churches are secular. THE church is not secular.

Think about this in terms of the OT. God established a kingdom at Mt. Sinai. There were judges, military leaders, elders, there was the rule of law, with one nation under God. The people all agreed three times to their form of government, with God as head. That agreement is a constitution of sorts. That reigns under God and his laws. Was it secular? Yes. Was it Christian? Yes, in a forward looking sense.

You mention mans relationship to God and man, while rejecting the idea of secular. Kingdoms are in essence mans relationship to man, and their king. It IS secular and if it is Christian it is simultaneously spiritual.

37 posted on 02/12/2013 12:33:13 PM PST by EyeSalveRich (define the kingdom)
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To: EyeSalveRich

The earth is Satan’s kingdom. We are behind enemy lines, so to speak.


38 posted on 02/12/2013 12:53:46 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: DManA

That sounds like a script for a B-grade movie.


39 posted on 02/12/2013 1:26:57 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

I give it a B for originality. B+ for weaving ancient Egyption religion into the fabric.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 1:30:50 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
I heard an anti-christ theory on one of the local religious radio stations the other day. I thought I’d heard them all but this was a new one to me. According to this guy, The Anti-Christ is actually Nimrod. He died 5,000 years ago and his tomb, somewhere in Egypt, has been guarded faithfully by a secret cult as the body of the god Osiris up until this day. This body will be given life and arise to become the Anti-Christ.

I don't buy the 5,000 year old tomb stuff, but Nimrod can be looked at as a type of anti-Christ.

The name Nimrod means "He who rebels."

Nimrod was probably the driving force behind the building of the Tower of Babel (the Bible lists Nimrod as Babylon's king).

Nimrod created the first "world government," and he did so by military conquest.

There was a long standing tradition that Nimrod was possessed by the devil (there were a lot of ancient stories about Nimrod, but since they aren't in the Bible I take them with a grain of salt).

The point is, saying Nimrod was an anti-Christ type of figure is reasonable.

41 posted on 02/12/2013 1:56:02 PM PST by Brookhaven
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To: stuartcr
I heard the anti-Christ was going to be from Winnipeg or Des Moines...
Nah, Massachusetts. He has a weekend place there where he can get away from it all.


42 posted on 02/12/2013 2:17:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Nah, Massachusetts. [The anti-Christ] has a weekend place there where he can get away from it all.

Massachusetts makes sense, given the proximity to NYC. Harlots can take the train into the city on Mondays, when they want to ride the Beast....


RIDE THE BEAST, BABY! YEEAAHHHH!!

43 posted on 02/12/2013 3:00:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Hardastarboard

I heard his pecker is too small and bent for 3 sixes.


44 posted on 02/12/2013 3:11:41 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: RBStealth

I just read. Very interesting.


45 posted on 02/12/2013 10:22:47 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: cuban leaf
You said The earth is Satan’s kingdom. We are behind enemy lines, so to speak.

I presume you refer to 2 Cor 4:4, and or John 12:31; 14:30. It is a horrible misuse of scripture to use those to teach against the kingdom of God on earth. It does much damage to the prophets, the parables, the psalms, and the gospel of the kingdom. I understand why you would repeat it. It is widely taught as such. But this is a part of the reason America is in the moral dilema we are in. That teaching makes Christians irrelevant in todays world. In fact, it makes them somewhat useless to God's kingdom.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

If you read the parable of the tares carefully, you will see that the tares are in the field which is the world. Later you see the tares are gather out of the kingdom where they have been growing. They were growing in the field, which is the world. The kingdom is the world.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

46 posted on 02/13/2013 4:14:25 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (define the kingdom)
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To: EyeSalveRich

No offense, but I get the feeling you are “looking for a fight”. The reason I say this is that this is at least the second time you expand a single sentence by me into an entire sermon complete with backing scripture, and then attempt to refute it. That is, intentionally or not, you create straw men from my posts and then effectively slay them.

I’m afraid I really don’t have the time nor inclination, on Freerepublic, to dig deep into specific topics on which you are “loaded for bear”. Frankly, I agree with most of what you post.

BTW, I was reading 1 Cor. this morning and when I came upon the word “holy”, I suddenly thought of Moses at the burning bush and a niggling question percolated to the surface: What, exactly, is “holy” ground? What exactly is holy “anything”. I mean, deep down, with full knowledge, what exactly does it mean? Then an answer came into my head that touches on our very conversation, which also popped into my head.


47 posted on 02/13/2013 5:05:51 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RBStealth

Actually I wrote it myself. Since when is there something wrong with that.


Nothing. Some think there is a “cast in stone” culture here. Here you are chastized for posting a “vanity”. Meanwhile, I post on another site where anything other than a “vanity” is ridiculed as “cut and paste” and “can’t think for yourself so you have to post other people’s stuff”.

It’s comical, actually.

But I’m no fan of “one liner” vanities. That’s what that vapid twitter thing is for. :-)


48 posted on 02/13/2013 5:08:54 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RBStealth

‘WISDOM’ is a reference to Solomon...


Not to pick nits, but I think you mean it “could be” a reference to Solomon.


49 posted on 02/13/2013 5:12:04 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“The Antichrist’s rise to power is nothing to fear,” declares Bible scholar Jon Hornsworth of Atlanta.


Actually, I think he’s right in a way. That is, those who are Satans and take the number of the beast will “think” they have nothing to fear. Heck, this guy is so amazing that God cuts the time short lest even the elect be deceived.

And because I think the worlds current crisis is not solvable by any man, I’m very much looking for a guy to percolate to the surfact that actually fixes this whole mess. The world will be amazed.

And the beast will be identified.


50 posted on 02/13/2013 5:15:28 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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