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To: jongaltsr

Faith in Him should be enough to believe in our Creator.

However, historical writings, artifacts, simple common sense...and THE Shroud should be enough as well.

Certainly an “Intelligent Designer” of the Universe is self evident based on the perfect balance where we exist in space. Additionally, the deep complexity of human DNA still remains a mystery and to believe this was formed by itself from nothing is simply idiotic.

re: the Shroud, carbon dating of the ORIGINAL section (not the repaired section initially tested) proves it was created during the time of Christ.

Scientists discovered the pollen was unique to the geographic area that Christ resided.

It’s also been shown the 3D image on the Shroud was likely caused by a “mini-nuclear” micro-second explosion similar to the Big Bang.

That in 2000 years, this 3D image on a cloth has NEVER been reproduced.

If a Christian believes and it turns out they were wrong, no downside.

If an atheist is wrong, the downside is HUGE!

Choose wisely....


59 posted on 02/09/2013 3:51:08 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: newfreep
If a Christian believes and it turns out they were wrong, no downside.

If an atheist is wrong, the downside is HUGE!

Choose wisely....

Pascal's wager.

79 posted on 02/09/2013 9:23:09 AM PST by thecodont
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To: newfreep
I strongly believe there is and WAS a creator. I use the word GOD because that is universally accepted as the term used.

Have ANY of the historical writings (other than Pauls) survived?)

THE Shroud is an artifact but proves nothing except that it "possibly" covered the body of a dead person. Who? We have no way of knowing.

Certainly an “Intelligent Designer” of the Universe is self evident - Does that mean that other life can not exist elsewhere in the Universe?

We know for a fact that viruses (with DNA) have been found in meteorites that came from who knows where. We also know that we evolved and did not just one day appear on the earth. We evolved. We are STILL evolving.

Just compare our brains and skills to those of the time of Christ. We are considerably evolved - though not by that much but it has been a mere 2000 years.

Go back 5000 years and you would see still more differences.

ETC.

The Shroud of Turin was carbon dated (probably correctly) but there were THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of "Men" who were similarly intured. (Spelling)?

Scientists discovered the pollen was unique to the geographic area that Christ resided. THAT STILL LEAVES THOUSANDS upon thousands OF VARIABLES.

It’s also been shown the 3D image on the Shroud was likely caused by a “mini-nuclear” micro-second explosion similar to the Big Bang.(PURE CONJUNCTURE)- PROOF IS STILL LACKING.

That in 2000 years, this 3D image on a cloth has NEVER been reproduced. SO? You are grasping at faith not fact.

If a Christian believes and it turns out they were wrong, no downside. NOW THERE IS A TRUE STATEMENT

If an atheist is wrong, the downside is HUGE! ANOTHER TRUE STATEMENT.

Remember that I DO believe in a single creator(GOD). His name is not Thor, Zeus (etc) as they were all vane and self centered creations for people who loved having a God for every occasion.

Choose wisely.... I choose based of fact not on whim. I study history, culture, archeology and anthropology and make my decisions on probable facts. If I am proven wrong, I will prove myself wrong and won't need you to tell me "I told you so".

If you can prove any of this and not just conjectured results I will be the first to accept FACT and not the faith of conjecture.

126 posted on 02/10/2013 6:27:17 PM PST by jongaltsr
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