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Cheers!
1 posted on 02/08/2013 5:37:14 PM PST by grey_whiskers
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To: grey_whiskers; neverdem; SunkenCiv; Cindy; LucyT; decimon; freedumb2003; ...

Fretting about the bird cage on religious topics...

Warning: Explicitly Christian. Atheists should only proceed if they wish to be annoyed.

Enjoy the music at the link.

Cheers!

2 posted on 02/08/2013 5:43:46 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I couldn’t agree more.

And atheist’s agree too.

Robert Jastrow (September 7, 1925 – February 8, 2008) was an American astronomer, physicist and cosmologist. He was a leading NASA scientist, populist author and futurist.

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

Robert Jastrow.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 5:50:38 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Awesome post, just what I needed to read this Friday evening. Thanks!


4 posted on 02/08/2013 6:43:48 PM PST by Weirdad (Orthodox Americanism: It's what's good for the world! (Not communofascism!))
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To: grey_whiskers

“And the other difference, is that prayer is not designed, we are explicitly told it was never meant, for personal power. That way lies Faust and the Occult.”

This bears repeating, since we have some Christians today who are chasing “prosperity” through prayer. That’s not a good road to start traveling down.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 6:49:21 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: grey_whiskers
Since prayer is a petition to God, and God can work miracles (whether by interfering with nature without our knowledge, or by truly *breaking* or *suspending* the laws of nature) -- when prayer works, it is not limited to the discovered laws. It truly can "move mountains" -- or change entire kingdoms, or the course of history.

Faith demands the believer to acknowledge the believer's god to be omniscient, all-knowing. The believer, by implication of the acknowledgement, has to believe that this god also knows the wants, feelings, needs, desires, intents and goals of the believer. So you have the believer and the believer's omniscient god as two entities, with no need for any "lines of communication / petition" (a.k.a prayer) between them, due to the quality of omniscience. What does this render prayer into? Redundant nothingness. And religions that demand it? Self-contradictory nonsense.

Enjoy your weekend!

7 posted on 02/08/2013 7:06:24 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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Do I detect a trend here? "fairy tales" and "magical man in the sky" tend to be stock insults, and used by atheists. The words are pejorative, to be sure, but more tellingly, what are the values communicated by the words?

They demonstrate that nothing makes atheism as attractive as atheists do. See how happy, peaceable, broad-minded, and wise they are!

11 posted on 02/08/2013 9:46:43 PM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: grey_whiskers
Enjoyed your writings. I saw Phil Keaggy perform at my Church in the 80's and remember talking to him, but I don't remember what about. Profound distinctions from C.S.Lewis.

Also, faith is believing and therefore must spring forth from the deep and clear well of truth. Many who pray hold tightly onto their false beliefs which impact the way they perceive and understand, and therefore impede the purity of their faith. By the beliefs that they tightly hold onto which are not true they muddy their ability to have strong faith.

The Church of God is multi divided with all people holding the central truth about salvation through Christ, but not agreeing on many other important truths. One Church or belief system may believe certain things right and certain things wrong, and others believe wrong about other certain things and right about other certain things. Often adherents are adamant and proud about what they think is their corner on all truth. Few admit that they may hold to things that are not true. I doubt that at this present time very many Christians have and hold all important truths correctly.

Since faith, which is correct believing, is wedded to truth, our false beliefs impede it from working as it should. When God's people seek Him for truth, and stop relying on their denominational prejudices for their personally derived understandings of truth, then truth will flourish. We need to study The Word of God carefully and prayerfully before Almighty God, seeking and asking Him to show us what is true.

Also, the Bible says that faith works by love. How many Christians really walk in God like love as we should? How can faith work, if it works by love, if we do not love one another as we should?

I liken faith to the airplane. For ages man did not know how to fly so he often believed it impossible. Because man could not fly didn't make it impossible. When we finally learned how to fly we began to be able to fly on a regular basis. When Christians finally learn to find truth out from God through His Word, learn to love each other with fervent love, and learn to commune with The LORD on a continuous, love filled and intimate level, then our faith will become powerful, and will flourish as it should.

The one thing that is often missed about faith is that faith is asking God. It isn't a formula, it is a person, the person of God. We cannot manipulate God, but must purely ask Him. Whatever it is that we are asking Him for has to come from Him. It will come from an act of His will. It will come from His power to perform it. It is all of Him. Like getting saved, all we can do is ask. We do not have the power to bring it about. The power does not in any way originate from ourselves.

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Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness. 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. 11:36 If thy whole body therefore [be] full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

15 posted on 02/09/2013 12:35:38 AM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I liked the quote by South Park’s Trey Parker.

“Basically ... out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous — the silliest one I’ve ever heard is, ‘Yeah ... there’s this big giant universe and it’s expanding, it’s all gonna collapse on itself and we’re all just here just ‘cause ... just ‘cause’. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever.”

While he certainly isn’t religious himself, it certainly casts light on just how ridiculous the atheists’ position is, as well.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 11:31:01 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Skooz
*PING* to YouTube video of Phil Keaggy in original article.

Cheers!

27 posted on 02/09/2013 1:12:52 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Ah, rats, I thought it was going to be about Phil Keaggy.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 8:02:17 PM PST by cornelis
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