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Image from another ICR article on viruses...

http://www.icr.org/article/viral-life-from-outer-space-not-likely/

1 posted on 01/23/2013 8:57:38 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank
Thanks for posting the article.

"One class called retroviruses is equipped with machinery that splices its own viral code into the DNA of a host cell. "

The following video shows this complicated machinery at work. Well worth the watch.

DNA: The Molecule that Defines You

2 posted on 01/23/2013 9:15:42 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: fishtank
Were Viruses Created or Evolved?

Bush's fault.

3 posted on 01/23/2013 9:31:30 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: fishtank

” For example, God made sharp teeth to equip animals to eat vegetation, but many have long since abandoned herbivory and become carnivores.4”

Really? God created lions wolves cougars etc etc to be herbivores?
Did they have the teeth they have now at rhe Creation?


4 posted on 01/23/2013 9:40:40 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: fishtank

” For example, God made sharp teeth to equip animals to eat vegetation, but many have long since abandoned herbivory and become carnivores.4”

Really? God created lions wolves cougars etc etc to be herbivores?
Did they have the teeth they have now at rhe Creation?


5 posted on 01/23/2013 9:40:40 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: fishtank

Additional reading if you are interested.

We Are Filled with Viruses

Posted on March 26, 2011 in Cell Biology, Genetics, Health, Human Body

Viruses have a bad connotation. We immediately think of the ones that cause disease: “I’ve got a virus,” you say when feeling under the weather. Actually, you have trillions of them all the time, even in the best of health. A single gram of stool sample can have 10 billion of them! What does that mean? Scientists are only beginning to find out.
One thing it means is that they can’t be all bad. Elizabeth Pennisi reported in Science this week about work at the University of British Columbia and Washington University to explore the human virome.1 She began her report,

In the past decade, scientists have come to appreciate the vast bacterial world inside the human body. They have learned that it plays a role in regulating the energy we take in from food, primes the immune system, and performs a variety of other functions that help maintain our health. Now, researchers are gaining similar respect for the viruses we carry around.

Bacteria have been easier to count than the tiny viruses. Many of our internal viruses are bacteriophages that invade and kill bacteria. This suggests they play a role in keeping the brakes on bacterial infections. “For every bacterium in our body, there’s probably 100 phages,” Pennisi wrote. The number of virus species identified in stool samples of healthy adults varied from 52 to 2773. “The viromes varied significantly from one individual to the next; they were even more diverse than the bacterial communities within the same individuals,” Pennisi reported. “But each person’s viral community remained stable over the course of the year.” That is, unless they go on a different diet or eating regimen; then the viromes change. But people who eat the same foods tend to converge on virus profiles. Researchers also found that infants with fevers had more viruses than healthy infants.
We are full of viruses, in other words, but we don’t know what they all do. This is “a true frontier” of research, with much to learn. “Ultimately, those viruses are incredibly important in driving what’s going on” one scientist from the University of British Columbia said. It’s not enough to know your bacteria; you have to know the viruses that interact with them.

1. Elizabeth Pennisi, “Microbiology: Going Viral: Exploring the Role Of Viruses in Our Bodies,” Science, 25 March 2011: Vol. 331 no. 6024 p. 1513, DOI: 10.1126/science.331.6024.1513.

Commentary from:

http://crev.info/2011/03/we_are_filled_with_viruses/

It’s always been intriguing that viruses look incredibly well designed. Some bacteriophages look like lunar landing capsules, legs and all. Scientists have learned that some viruses have shells like hard plastic (05/07/2004) and pack their DNA into their capsids with motors generating remarkable force, in an orderly manner (03/20/2007, 12/30/2008). They are also extremely effective in finding their target cells, inserting their DNA, and commandeering the genetic machinery to make copies of themselves.
Evolutionists don’t know what to do with viruses. They are not considered transitional forms between molecules and life. Intelligent design would describe their design and predict that they have functions, but would be at a loss to explain harmful viruses. It takes Biblical creation to explain that they were probably designed for good originally, but some became harmful because of the Fall due to sin. The analogy might be to a science fiction movie where robotic servants went berserk, or to the broom of the sorcerer’s apprentice that multiplied and could not be stopped. Sometimes a single mutation can turn a beneficial bacterium into a disease-causing terror; the same could be true with viruses.
Maybe they were intended to be regulators of bacteria. Maybe they were designed to convey information to the body about new environments, and were equipped to copy themselves to spread the word so that the body could be prepared. Who knows? This is, after all, a frontier of research. For philosophers, it’s noteworthy that we are stumbling onto a reality right around us – right within us – about which we have been largely oblivious, with the potential to dramatically change our understanding of nature.
Given that an athlete running the high hurdles in the peak of health is carrying around trillions of viruses, intuition suggests that most of what they do for us is good. The scientific research appears poised to find many beneficial functions for our viral passengers. It happened with bacteria; it took society a long time to change the emotional response from “germs… uggh!” with the householder running to get the antibacterial spray, to an appreciation of the many good things bacteria do for us. Now we look differently upon our bacterial passengers. We have learned they outnumber our own cells, and are learning that our viral passengers outnumber the bacteria 100 to one. Expect amazing things to be discovered about these tiny, mysterious machines.


7 posted on 01/23/2013 9:53:58 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: fishtank
If so, He certainly did not form them to cause disease. At the end of that week, He declared His works "very good."2 But like many other created features, their original purpose was warped because of "the bondage of corruption" brought about by mankind’s sin.

So viruses are bad because some lady and her old man ate an apple?

3 For example, God made sharp teeth to equip animals to eat vegetation, but many have long since abandoned herbivory and become carnivores

Yep, no doubt those teeth were made to eat Blueberries and Oranges.

8 posted on 01/23/2013 10:11:20 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: fishtank
Let's face it, viruses are living organisms that reproduce in connection with living cells, and the fact that viruses evolve is clearly evident.

The fact that everything (living and unliving) in existence has evolved over time is also evident.

When it all began is something beyond imagination.

9 posted on 01/23/2013 10:12:31 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: fishtank

if you want a gfascinating but semi-technical discussion abotu retroviruses and hteir roles in species, and to see how it’s impossible that primates and humans are elated thanks to the efvidences of viruses, then the folloiwng is quite a discussion

http://www.christianforums.com/t5784958/

A couple of SIMILIAR retroviruses (albiet with different insertion points) does not an evolutionary process make, especially when there are so many differences between humans and primates, and hwen ALL primates share most hte ERV’s between them, but not between them and humans-

Parasitic invasions and symbiotic relationships are not evidence of evolution as has been claimed, then later admitted to beign false, when scientists falsely tried to assert that eukoroytes were a ‘perfect exampel of evolution in the process right before our eyes”- they later admitted that it was a lie- teachers had to remove htel ie from school books, although soem schools still have thjis assinien assertion in some books with NO footnotes statign that the info was later admitted to beign false-

Anyways- the above link will show that a couple of similiar PTERV’s does not a link make- the fact is that we are similiar species, and in some cases susceptible to the same parasitic threats that reulst in similiar conditions- that’s NOT unusualy for species that are similiar but still so different as to be wholly different and unique species

for years, lucy was portrayed as their ‘berst evidence’ that man evolved fro mapes, and the textbooks even to this day show models with slim feet and hands (Characteristics of groudn dwellers who no longer need to use feet and hands to support themselves in branches they claim) howrver, the drawigns do NOT represent the actual evidence which showed that ‘lucy’ had long curved finger bones and muscular feet- juyst like all primates- but here again textbooks still will NOT admit the whoel truth- Apaprently because they simpyl must create a link where none exist

and as for their ‘most compelte fossil evidnece to date’? They cite a link between an ocean dwelling creature, and the cynodont and claim the land dweller is the ‘closest livign relative of the ocean species’ however once you investigaste the deceitful drawings between their two best ‘links’ (which shows them nearly identical in size i ntheir deceitful drawings,) you will discover that the ocean species is the size of a rat, whierl the land dweller was the size of a hoppo- but by golly you’d never know that juswt lookign at the deceitfulyl drawn pictures-

Only an itnelligent designer is capable of creatign informaiton out of nothing- nagture is NOT caapble of doign so- it’s biologically impossible for nature, with all her ‘laws’ to create soenmthign out of nothing- and it’;s also biologically impossible for nature to have takern dirty chemicals, purified them and created the right amino acids top survive in conditiosn that were impossible to support them- The whole process of evolutio nbreaks down right fo the very foundations- not to mention it’s mathrematically imopossibel Not just improbable, but impossdible for mutatiosn to create new non species specific informaiton

but all these facts get waved aside by evoltuionists as thoguht they are meaningless- they are not- they are the death knell to the hypothesis of evolution


12 posted on 01/23/2013 10:55:37 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: fishtank
Absolutely.

God carefully and lovingly created the smallpox and polio viruses for some unknown, but doubtless totally benign, purpose.

When they began to go astray, paralysing, disfiguring, and killing millions, He, out of His goodness, stood back and allowed that to happen.

17 posted on 01/23/2013 12:26:40 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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