that Cardinal Koch
didn’t get his rhetoric approved
by the Vatican?"
Thank you
for
keeping the Catholic Lady amused.
Posted on 01/22/2013 9:28:25 AM PST by marshmallow
The Secretary of the International Lutheran Federation has rejected the proposal presented again about a day or so ago by the Prefect of the former Holy Office
An ordinariate for Lutherans who wish to re-enter into communion with the Vatican, whilst preserving their traditions at least partially? The idea of extending the solution offered by Pope Benedict XVI to groups of traditionalist Anglicans to followers of Martin Luther was suggested for the first time by the President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, Cardinal Kurt Koch.
But just as the proposal is being put forward again by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Mgr. Gerhard Ludwig Müller, it is beginning to trigger heated protests and concerns among the Catholic Church’s ecumenical partners –as happened with the Anglican Church.
The creation of an ordinariate – intended for those groups of Anglicans that wish to join the Catholic Church but also maintain their own identity – was “not Rome’s idea; it originates in the Anglican Church,” Koch said last 30 October. “The Holy Father looked for a solution and found a wide-reaching one which took into account the Anglican Church’s ecclesial and liturgical traditions. If the Lutherans made a similar request - he went on to say - we will have to consider their situation carefully. But the initiative remains in the hands of the Lutherans.”
The issue was recently addressed by Mgr. Müller. The German theologian chosen by Pope Benedict XVI to lead the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, recognised that the “Lutheran world is different to the Anglican one because Anglicanism has always had an element that is closer to Catholicism.” But this would not stop the Church from allowing Lutheran groups to convert to Catholicism, preserving “legitimate traditions developed” over the......
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I hope you don't mind ...
And would you folks please stifle Marty Haugen? Please?
Not sure what it is you deleted, or wish for me to read ...
Pardon my denseness.
Confessional Lutherans are happy to discuss theology with Catholics, but we can't be seen talking to the ELCA.
This is not to say that there haven't been Lutheran composers capable of writing inspiring songs for use in the Catholic Church (Johann Sebastian Bach, comes to mind). Mart Haugen is no Johann Sebastian Bach.
As a Catholic, I would say that anyone, Catholic or not, who actually believes that Lutherans worship Luther is in serious need of re-education.
Most Catholics would agree that Luther was not/is not infallible although he may have a better understanding of the truth than he once had.
Most Lutherans of my acquaintance are "real Christians" in that they are followers of Jesus Christ (though not perfect followers any more than Catholics are).
I am a follower of Benedict XVI and was a follower of John Paul I and John Paul II. The real test of my faith was to be a follower of Paul VI and John XXIII. I would have easily followed the other popes of the last two centuries with whom I am familiar. I suspect likewise as to their predecessors with whom I am less familiar. I am a papist and do not regard the term as pejorative.
In any event, God bless you and yours! And may we, each in his own way, succeed in following Christ as Christ wishes to be followed.
Understatement of the Year!
You might want to amend that to say "Mgr. Müller" and "Cardinal Koch". Danke.
The so-called "rhetoric" CDY is discussing exists solely in the words of the journalist and is not a quote from Koch.
They would be objectively committing falsehood and rash judgment. If these people are Catholics, please tell me who they are, so I can go after them hammer and tongs.
And I will, too.
THANK YOU!!
+{{{:o)
(Official Papal Smiley)
Refreshing!
:o)
But only in the sense that I pray to wideawake and Lee N. Field, e.g. if I ask you to pray to God for me. I believe in intercessory prayer.
The misundersrtanding happens when people erroneously suppose that "pray" is synonymous with "adore".
"Pray" in this context just means "ask earnestly" as in the phrase one might hear at a trial, "The petitioner prays that this honorable court consider..." etc. etc.
OK, carry on...
I certainly would NOT be insulted if I was described as a "follower of Pope Benedict XVI" (or a follower of Pope John Paul II, either, in fact most Catholics would take it as a compliment). Saying the person is a "follower" of a particular religious figure does not imply the individual agrees 100% with everything that person ever said or did.
>> AKA a “papist”? I would say that, learning from the past, yes, in the extreme and enough to torture, beat and behead (The Spanish Inquisition). <<
"Papist" is a protestant term and NO Catholic church or organization ever uses the word or calls itself "papist". Lutherans, on the other hand, most certainly call themselves Lutherans and say they follow Martin Luther's teachings. But it's an insult to mention it? That's like claiming the word "Mormon" is insulting to the Church of the Latter-Day Saints when they call themselves that (Mormon Tabernacle Choir, etc.) This is starting to sound like the "blacks can call themselves black but you have to call them African-American" BS
>> 1. Lutherans are not “real” Christians. <<
The only freepers I've seen make this argument are fundamentalist "born again" types who also decree Catholics are not "real" Christians". In fact, they argue only other fundamentalist, born-again protestants count as "real" Christians, and the other 95% of practicing Christians in the world don't count. Needless to say their idea of "Christian" is rejected by the vast majority of Catholics, Orthodox, and protestants out there.
>> 2. Lutherans worship Luther. <<
I have never heard anyone make a ridiculous argument like that. However, there are a handful of people out there who argue that Catholics worship the Pope, but they are a small minority.
Too far afield. We will only end up speaking past each other.
I (and all of Christendom) rest on:
He who believes and is baptized shall be saved - Mark 16:16
We will welcome them with open arms.
What do you mean by Roman Catholic. No such category. We belong to the Latin Rite.
We are followers of Jesus Christ who founded his church on the Apostles, the first Bishops.
Sorry, we don’t do that.
**Not to mention virtually all positions of the Church with the exception of Abortion and Birth Control are IDENTICAL to those of the Democrat Party (http://usccb.org).**
Huh?
The Catholic Church has been the one and only Church to stand staunchly against
abortion
birth control and contraception
euthanasia
embryonic stem cell research
homosexual unions between a man and a man or a woman and a woman
Where have you been?
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