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So many folks I speak with who consider themselves to be Catholic really don't have a grasp of theology that is Catholic (in the Vincentian sense) at all. They have paddled their canoes up a narrow inlet and, fascinated with all the flora and fauna they find there, think they are in the only body of water on earth that matters. Meanwhile a whole ocean of theology lies unseen and unexplored. By this I don't mean exploring theological innovations and heresies (far from it!). I am speaking of the vast number of tributaries that flow into the whole body of theological orthodoxy--the Great Tradition, vast and rich--left unexplored by those who think their little bayou is all there is to the Catholic faith....

....I can’t count how many people I have had conversations with in recent months who are dismissive of the Reformers and the Reformation—and I am talking about Anglican leaders, even in the Anglican Church in North America. While some of these same folks make fun of the resolution that was proposed (in 2011) at the Convention of the Episcopal diocese of Atlanta to reinstate Pelagius as “a viable theological voice within our tradition,” many of these Anglican leaders do not realize that their own disdain for Calvin really amounts to a rejection of St. Augustine, and their disregard for important Reformation truths really amounts to an unthinking embrace of the very Arminianism, Semi-Pelagianism, and Pelagianism that they are ridiculing Episcopal liberals for resurrecting.

1 posted on 01/17/2013 3:11:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

TULIP


2 posted on 01/17/2013 3:18:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Alex Murphy
Good article.

The references to Pelagius interest me. Its obvious he annoyed the churchmen of his day; its hard to find his arguments in his own words, since we mostly know what he thought from his enemies.

Pelagius’ error consisted of ... a failure to recognize that right standing with God can only be imputed to us as the result of an external cause God’s grace)...

I think Pelagius' response was "yes, but you have it".

8 posted on 01/17/2013 3:40:08 PM PST by marron
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To: Alex Murphy; Tennessee Nana; BipolarBob

Great posts. And of course that beloved acronym with decoder. Thanks to all of you.


9 posted on 01/17/2013 3:51:15 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Alex Murphy

Mark for later


14 posted on 01/17/2013 5:10:04 PM PST by CynicalBear
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Anyone who can take Vincent Lerins and walk away with him supporting Calvinism is what I'd call creative. Novel interpretation of Vincent is almost as ironic as censoring Farenheit 451.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3506.htm
15 posted on 01/17/2013 6:12:53 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly 'Catholic,' as is shown by the very force and meaning of the word, which comprehends everything almost universally. We shall hold to this rule if we follow universality [i.e. oecumenicity], antiquity, and consent. We shall follow universality if we acknowledge that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent, if in antiquity itself we keep following the definitions and opinions of all, or certainly nearly all, bishops and doctors alike. Universality, antiquity, and consent, these are our criteria for discerning the Catholic faith, the essential faith of the undivided church, the Great Tradition in Theology as I prefer to call it.

The phrase many modern day Roman Catholics like to insist is STILL the standard of their church is:

Quod unam, quod semper, quod ubique.

(It has always and everywhere been one and the same.)

However, we know from history that the Catholic Church, as represented by the Roman Catholic Church, does NOT in truth hold to such a standard. Many of the dogmas developed after the first split (Eastern from Western) in the eleventh century. This split happened because of new doctrines that did NOT have antiquity nor consensus patrem (unanimous consent of the fathers). It was why the Reformers actually WERE appealing to return the church back to the faith once delivered unto the saints. It is why those of us today have assurance that the doctrines we hold to WERE/ARE the same as the early church because they follow those truths established in Holy Scripture. Scripture is our guide and authority - as God intended.

Strip away the fluff, scour off the embellishments and legends turned to dogmas, and you have the same faith holding the same truths as those the Apostles learned from the very mouth of Jesus and as revealed by the Holy Spirit to the writers of Holy Scripture. Jesus created His body of believers based on His truth as documented in the Bible and all those who earnestly seek to know Him WILL be rewarded. It is why we know, even today, that the church of Jesus Christ has NEVER disappeared and has never lost the gospel truth. God has always reserved a remnant that remains true to Him.

Thanks for the article.

16 posted on 01/17/2013 10:13:54 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I think where Calvin leaves Catholic doctrine is not on salvation by grace through faith, but his salvation by election.


17 posted on 01/18/2013 12:25:15 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Alex Murphy
a Catholic theologian affirming Calvin and quoting R.C. Sproul (as I did above) may be jarring to some

AH HA!! There are some Catholics who are saved!!!! ;O)

18 posted on 01/18/2013 2:34:56 AM PST by HarleyD
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Hey, this is a great post. Here is the Vincentian Canon:

I'll have to book mark this one for the next sola scriptura argument or how the views of the Catholic Church no longer matches the views of the early fathers.
19 posted on 01/18/2013 2:49:37 AM PST by HarleyD
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