Posted on 01/08/2013 1:50:08 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
“begotten.. Adam was made “in the Image of God” but Seth was born in the ‘likeness and Image of Adam…” . “
Is it me or you ?
Might help to identify just which Bible you’re using, as well as to turn to the original language. I’ve always preferred the KJV due to it’s masterful use of the English language, rendering sometimes awkward translated phrases into beauty and grandeur. But, that does not mean this is the only Bible that represents a strong effort to be true to the original meaning and intent in translation.
Thanks for the response.
I assumed you just make a mistake,and was offering you a chance to correct it.
Now, you provide the quote from Genesis, where it has both... ‘our image, after our likeness’.
This totally destroys your assertion that ‘Adam was made “in the Image of God” but Seth was born in the “likeness and Image of Adam…” .
Do you see what I am talking about ?
I’m not criticizing the rest of your piece. I enjoy reading your articles. I just don’t understand how I am supposed to accept a contradictory argument in support of the main theme of the article.
Thank you for your response. I didn't provide the 'quote', ergo I cannot 'identify' the reference.
I said that Pastor Bill argued that God said Adam was made in his 'image', and then provided a quote that said God made Adam in his 'likeness'.
Now, he has provided a quote which states both.
The following statement by Pastor Bill, in his article, then makes no sense, at least to me.
"Adam was made “in the Image of God” but Seth was born in the ‘likeness and Image of Adam…” . "
All I want is a clarification of the "BUT" part.
If we take the quote given by Pastor Bill as a good 'source', then it would mean his original statement should have been..." Adam was made “in the likeness and Image of God” but Seth was born in the ‘likeness and Image of Adam…”
Is this not true? If so, then what does the BUT in the sentence mean now ?
Thanks UCANSEE2, I appreciate your comments and can see where I would appear contradictory. Communication with clarity is a difficult but worthwhile pursuit.
I was trying to say in the rest of the article that Seth, and all of the children of Adam, have indeed inherited the Image of God from our first father, but we have also inherited Adam’s fallen nature,(ie the Image of Adam). This is the human condition since the fall, and can only be remedied by the work of the “Last Adam” through the new birth. I hope this helps. Thanks again!
26 Then ELoHIM said, “Let us make ADaM in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So ELoHIM created ADaM in his own image, in the image of ELoHIM he created him; male and female he created them.
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Ergo: ELoHIM is male and female.
I appreciate your comments and can see where I would appear contradictory.
I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me.
I was trying to say in the rest of the article that Seth, and all of the children of Adam, have indeed inherited the Image of God from our first father, but we have also inherited Adam’s fallen nature,(ie the Image of Adam).
I couldn't agree more. Thank you.
I have a question. I know it's been asked before, but I like getting different perspectives from different people.
Who was ELoHIM speaking TO when he said this?
The other 2 “members” of the Trinity(Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
pastorbillrandles, could a righteous God condemn Adam, and/or you and I, if Adam, or us, could not live a sinless life?
May God, our Father, lead us all to His truth, BVB
Exodus 20:12 Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
???
Hallelujah is a Hebrew phrase which means Hallel Praise, lu to, jah YaH. Praise to YaH.
YaH, Yud Hei, well who is YaH?
Yud is masculine and Hei is feminine, ergo YH are your parents, of your soul.
In Genesis 1 souls were created, the physical form of ADaM was formed in chapter 2.
The image of ELoHIM in chapter 1 is not flesh.
Which brings us to...
The mystery of the Shema...
THE KINGDOM OF GOD
PART 1 - THE SHEMA
http://www.yashanet.com/studies/revstudy/rev5e.htm
More fun!
For this is the way of wisdom -- to acquire ideas one after another until, in the end, there emerges one complete concept for which all of the prefaces were necessary.
From Da'ath Tevunoth (The Knowing Heart)
Rabbi Moshe Chayim Luzzatto
BACKGROUND ARTICLES
http://www.yashanet.com/studies/revstudy/background.htm
Have fun!
Who was ELoHIM speaking TO when he said this?
BRAShTh is the first word in the Torah. RAShTh means 'beginning' the Beit can mean in, at or being the second letter of the Alef Beit it has the numerical value of 2. So it can be read, 2 beginning to create...
Curious as to why you did not answer my question @ 12.
May God our Father lead us all to His truth, BVB
Bob I don’t always answer immediately,, I just got in from a busy day. In answer to your question, A Righteous God would never do anything unrighteous, therefore his condemnation is always just and true. Jesus said “this is the condemnation, light came into the world but men loved the darkness more than the light, because their deeds were evil”.
Thank you for the response. I agree with you God would never do anything unrighteous. How do you think God could prove it was possible for Adam or us to live a sinless life?
May God our Father lead us all to His Truth, BVB
I don’t know the answer to that question Bob.
Yeshua HaMashiach ben ELoHIM...
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God
Yeshua HaMashiach ben ELoHIM...
The Hebrew ‘name’ for God, right ?
Do you think anyone really has (or even knows) the ‘true’ name (if there is such a thing) of ‘God’ ? What ‘language’ does God speak ?
It seems I am approaching this thread from the bottom up, so this is ‘belated’.
Thank you for the response to my questions and the well researched answers.
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