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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Chuck, try as you might, and wish as you may, Jesus did NOT call HIMSELF "Petra and upon this Rock I will build My Church".....he named PETER, Petra and said to and of him..."Upon this ROCK I will build me Church.

I know you non-Catholics have a bad time with this and you try to twist Jesus's words, but you can't. Your preachers try very hard to convince you, but........

Jesus ASCENDED into heaven.....SOMEONE HAD TO BE THE HEAD CHEESE HEre on EARTH TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL!!!!

Really, now,if you would take 2 quiet seconds to reflect on this, you would accept this.

Hello, even GM's CEO PICKS his REPLACEMENT TO CARRY ON THE BUSINESS........geesh.

26 posted on 01/06/2013 4:57:17 PM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Ann Archy
...SOMEONE HAD TO BE THE HEAD CHEESE HEre on EARTH TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL!!!!

Why?

even GM's CEO PICKS his REPLACEMENT TO CARRY ON THE BUSINESS....

Peter replaced Christ?

29 posted on 01/06/2013 5:05:28 PM PST by TaxPayer2000
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To: Ann Archy; chuck_the_tv_out
I don’t think the Catholic Church knows more than God.

Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."

67 posted on 01/06/2013 5:54:10 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Ann Archy; chuck_the_tv_out
Jesus did NOT call HIMSELF "Petra and upon this Rock I will build My Church".....he named PETER, Petra and said to and of him..."Upon this ROCK I will build me Church. I know you non-Catholics have a bad time with this and you try to twist Jesus's words, but you can't.

I would suggest that you cannot definitively prove that Christ was talking about Peter in that verse. The verse states:

But even if Peter is referred to as a rock (actually "pebble") you don't WHICH rock Christ was referring to. There are other verses which refer to Christ as the rock including one by Peter:

Christ is our Rock-not Peter. And Peter even acknowledged this.

The Early Church Fathers believed Christ was the Rock (and his disciples in the church):

Catholics have build an entire premise around one tiny word of scripture and what they've been told to believe. They need to study more.
75 posted on 01/06/2013 6:17:19 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Ann Archy; chuck_the_tv_out
Chuck, try as you might, and wish as you may, Jesus did NOT call HIMSELF "Petra and upon this Rock I will build My Church".....he named PETER, Petra and said to and of him..."Upon this ROCK I will build me Church.

Matthew 16:18

Jesus said that Peter was *petros*(masculine) and that on this *petra*(feminine) He would build His church.

Greek: 4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros ("small stone") then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra ("cliff, boulder," Abbott-Smith).

"4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff" (TDNT, 3, 100). "4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff" (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – "a mass of connected rock," which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is "a detached stone or boulder" (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a "solid or native rock, rising up through the earth" (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is "a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw" (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

It's also a strange way to word the sentence that He would call Peter a rock and say that on this I will build my church instead of *on you* as would be grammatically correct in talking to a person.

There is no support from the original Greek for the idea that Jesus meant Peter to be that which He was going to build His church on.

96 posted on 01/06/2013 7:14:22 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Ann Archy
Jesus ASCENDED into heaven.....SOMEONE HAD TO BE THE HEAD CHEESE HEre on EARTH TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL!!!!

No, nobody have to be the *head cheese* to spread the gospel. That is the responsibility of EVERY believer, not just a select few.

Jesus is the head of His church.

Ephesians 5:23-24 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

Jesus gave us the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit to enable us to carry out His directive and to guide us into all truth.

Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts 1:8

Power = dynamin

Definition: (a) physical power, force, might, ability, efficacy, energy, meaning (b) plur: powerful deeds, deeds showing (physical) power, marvelous works.

1411 dýnamis (from 1410 /dýnamai, "able, having ability") – properly, "ability to perform" (L-N); for the believer, power to achieve by applying the Lord's inherent abilities. "Power through God's ability" (1411 /dýnamis) is needed in every scene of life to really grow in sanctification and prepare for heaven (glorification). 1411 (dýnamis) is a very important term, used 120 times in the NT.

101 posted on 01/06/2013 7:23:42 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Ann Archy
...".....he named PETER, Petra ...

Not really. The Bible CLEARLY indicates that SIMON was ALREADY known as Peter before Jesus mentioned it.

186 posted on 01/07/2013 4:09:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ann Archy
Hello, even GM's CEO PICKS his REPLACEMENT TO CARRY ON THE BUSINESS........geesh.

You might want to learn a bit more about what you've so boldly stated...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEO_succession

187 posted on 01/07/2013 4:14:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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