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1 posted on 01/01/2013 2:03:48 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/01/2013 2:04:46 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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Catholic leaders should be against socialism. They have plenty of history to show socialists use centralized power to annul the church’s meaning of social justice.

All the while, the marxists have redefined the meaning of social justice to accomodate atheist/humanist centralized power. All the while communists within the church distort the meaning of social justice to rally the pews to socialism’s “redistribution” of wealth.


4 posted on 01/01/2013 2:14:32 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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The right to your ‘property’ and due process ranks infinitely higher than some half baked interpretation of The Golden Rule.


5 posted on 01/01/2013 2:17:30 PM PST by Track9 ("The nightly "news" is for the ignorant.")
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Anywhere socialism or communism is established, their first and foremost target is Christianity.

All we have to do is to look what is happening in our own country.


7 posted on 01/01/2013 2:39:49 PM PST by 353FMG
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The pontiff wrote: “Every effort must, therefore, be made that fathers of families receive a sufficient wage adequate to meet ordinary domestic needs. If in the present state of society this is not always feasible, social justice demands that reforms be introduced without delay which will guarantee every adult workingman just such a wage”

Well Ted Kennedy certainly bought into this. It's socialism

8 posted on 01/01/2013 2:40:40 PM PST by plain talk
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Thomas Stork is an advocate of a theoretical economic system named Distributism. He declares Socialism/Communism bad, and Capitalism worse, so he argues for “the middle way,” a better way than the world now knows. The full details of how this system is to work are, of course, murky and incomplete; but never mind, Capitalism has got to go.

He sometimes uses translation of encyclicals which differ from those at the Vatican’s web site. For example, to quote from the essay:

Pope Pius XI says of social justice,
“Now it is of the very essence of social justice to demand from each individual all that is necessary for the common good” (Divini Redemptoris, no. 51).

The Vatican translation is:
Now it is of the very essence of social justice to demand for each individual all that is necessary for the common good.

This small error twists the statement to its opposite meaning. In another instance he cites another paragraph;

(Stork) Again, Pius XI:
It happens all too frequently, however, under the salary system, that individual employers are helpless to ensure justice unless, with a view to its practice, they organize institutions the object of which is to prevent competition incompatible with fair treatment for the workers. Where this is true, it is the duty of contractors and employers to support and promote such necessary organizations as normal instruments enabling them to fulfill their obligations of justice (Divini Redemptoris, no. 53).

but leaves off the last sentence:

But the laborers too must be mindful of their duty to love and deal fairly with their employers, and persuade themselves that there is no better means of safeguarding their own interests.

not the words the local community organizer would choose to employ. Ithink (opinion) this fellow and his message may be what Pius XI had in mind when writing paragraph 56 leading into 57 (emphasis added):

56. … It [the Catholic Press] should offer useful suggestions and warn against the insidious deceits with which Communists endeavor, all too successfully, to attract even men of good faith.

57. On this point We have already insisted in Our Allocution of May 12th of last year, but We believe it to be a duty of special urgency, Venerable Brethren, to call your attention to it once again. In the beginning Communism showed itself for what it was in all its perversity; but very soon it realized that it was thus alienating the people. It has therefore changed its tactics, and strives to entice the multitudes by trickery of various forms, hiding its real designs behind ideas that in themselves are good and attractive. Thus, aware of the universal desire for peace, the leaders of Communism pretend to be the most zealous promoters and propagandists in the movement for world amity. Yet at the same time they stir up a class-warfare which causes rivers of blood to flow, and, realizing that their system offers no internal guarantee of peace, they have recourse to unlimited armaments. Under various names which do not suggest Communism, they establish organizations and periodicals with the sole purpose of carrying their ideas into quarters otherwise inaccessible. They try perfidiously to worm their way even into professedly Catholic and religious organizations. Again, without receding an inch from their subversive principles, they invite Catholics to collaborate with them in the realm of so-called humanitarianism and charity; and at times even make proposals that are in perfect harmony with the Christian spirit and the doctrine of the Church. Elsewhere they carry their hypocrisy so far as to encourage the belief that Communism, in countries where faith and culture are more strongly entrenched, will assume another and much milder form. It will not interfere with the practice of religion. It will respect liberty of conscience. There are some even who refer to certain changes recently introduced into soviet legislation as a proof that Communism is about to abandon its program of war against God.

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19031937_divini-redemptoris_en.html

14 posted on 01/01/2013 5:26:53 PM PST by Daffy
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16 posted on 01/02/2013 8:52:36 PM PST by narses
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