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To: narses
Ephesians 2:1-10 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Spiritually, we are seated in the heavenly realms IN Christ Jesus. Positionally, we are already there, we have our inheritance.

However, there is no mention of our ability while here on earth to communicate with anyone else who is also seated there on that spiritual plane.

God's word is jam packed with promises of God hearing and answering our prayers. There is no indication given anywhere that any other being is capable of that.

So even if the issue of whether others are alive in heaven were to be settled, it still does not address whether they have the ability to either hear or answer our prayer.

That contention is still without Scriptural support.

22 posted on 12/30/2012 2:05:52 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

That is nice. Not what the Church teaches though. Sorry.


23 posted on 12/30/2012 2:16:38 PM PST by narses
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To: metmom

Those in heaven not only pray with us, they pray for us and can present our requests to God. “When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints,” Rev. 5:8. “Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel,” Rev. 8:3-4. These verses show (1) those in heaven have access to our prayers, and (2) those in heaven can offer our prayers to God. None of this would make any sense whatsoever if those in heaven were “dead” or “asleep.”


24 posted on 12/30/2012 2:18:16 PM PST by narses
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To: metmom

Just get over it already... For by grace you have been saved by faith... Grace gave you the Cross ... You now have to save yourself-


29 posted on 12/30/2012 2:41:59 PM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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