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To: daniel1212

“In any case, it results in the refutation of such.”

Nope. Random cut-n-paste fails as a refutation. Sorry.

Here, I see your random quote and raise you:

But lay up to yourselves treasures in heaven: where neither the rust nor moth doth consume, and where thieves do not break through, nor steal.


21 posted on 12/30/2012 1:45:13 PM PST by narses
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To: narses
Ephesians 2:1-10 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Spiritually, we are seated in the heavenly realms IN Christ Jesus. Positionally, we are already there, we have our inheritance.

However, there is no mention of our ability while here on earth to communicate with anyone else who is also seated there on that spiritual plane.

God's word is jam packed with promises of God hearing and answering our prayers. There is no indication given anywhere that any other being is capable of that.

So even if the issue of whether others are alive in heaven were to be settled, it still does not address whether they have the ability to either hear or answer our prayer.

That contention is still without Scriptural support.

22 posted on 12/30/2012 2:05:52 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses
But lay up to yourselves treasures in heaven: where neither the rust nor moth doth consume, and where thieves do not break through, nor steal.

Which is another desperate attempt which provides zero example or support for praying to the departed. Except to those who, in condescension to us, must find something in Scripture for the tradition of PTDS.

52 posted on 12/30/2012 4:20:04 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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