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David G. Bonagura, Jr. is an adjunct professor of theology at the Seminary of the Immaculate Conception, Huntington, New York
1 posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:43 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/08/2012 2:25:35 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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Catholics, Protestants and Immaculate Mary
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Memorandum on the Immaculate Conception [Newman]

4 posted on 12/08/2012 2:35:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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...the woman who gave the Word his flesh

(Sigh) Mary gave Jesus nothing that he didn't already have. He took it, without her consent.

There was no asking involved.

9 posted on 12/08/2012 3:41:23 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Catholics ask Mary to pray for them. IIRC the Bible tells us to pray to the saints. Surely Mary is a saint. I would love to know that Mary was praying for me. That does not mean that I would be worshipping her.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 4:17:14 PM PST by abclily
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Bookmark. Thanks.


18 posted on 12/08/2012 6:23:25 PM PST by nralife (www.fireholder.com)
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Thank you so very much for this posting.
I shall send it around.

To step out a bit here, these are the types
of things which we need to give fellow Christians to
help them to become more faithful, more certain and more courageous in their faith.

As a Catholic Christian, I need to grow in my faith and conviction, before I can become a more effective speaker of God's Truth and help to change our culture.

I am working on that. I need to. I have not given enough attention to my duties in life, as I, like so many Americans, have grappled with the sudden financial reverses that have come to us as we have seemingly lost our way after Ronald Reagan's second term.

Frankly, I believe that if we do not change our culture, we will see more painful election results, as we saw this November.

Economic theories, without an underlying moral cultural component, will not cut it.

Sursum Corda

19 posted on 12/08/2012 6:44:07 PM PST by Sursum Corda (Sursum Corda)
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the veneration of Mary detracts from the worship of Christ

I remember when I thought along these lines when I was starting to learn about the faith. The first time I read some of Mary's titles in the litany my jaw about hit the floor.

I understand now that it's because I was looking at Mary WITHOUT Christ. But when you view her with him, you understand that she only reflects what she's been given by him. And when you view Christ with Mary, it's more than the mind can take in. At least for me.

Imagine being so humble that you, God, deign to dwell inside a mere human being for 9 months, totally dependent on her. That you place yourself under the authority of this woman and her spouse. That you allow these two, who You created, to raise you. Teach you to walk. Talk. Pray. Worship. Can you imagine? You're God and you let Joseph teach you your prayers? Mary teach you your manners?

Yes, I can ponder Mary's obedience or Joseph's acceptance of responsibility. There's so much each of their lives can teach me by example. But it ultimately circles back to the Holy Trinity. Each of the Three Persons condescended and humbled Themselves in the Incarnation. And they did it to save you and me. I appreciate our good God more not less when I contemplate Joseph or Mary. I find it adds to my worship because I realize I have more to be thankful for than I can even begin to imagine.

I love being Catholic! It's helped me to love Christ more, not less.

21 posted on 12/08/2012 7:08:03 PM PST by PeevedPatriot
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Catholics pray to Mary for this reason: "C'mon Jesus, Mary is your mother, you HAVE to do what she tells you".

That's it.
23 posted on 12/08/2012 7:32:37 PM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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33 posted on 12/08/2012 8:25:24 PM PST by narses
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34 posted on 12/08/2012 8:26:16 PM PST by narses
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“to view the entirety of Christian life through a dialectical lens – a lens of conflict and division.”

That’s how liberals view dissent. You are divisive if you don’t agree with them. Proestants don’t agree with catholics on many things and that’s why there are protestants. The catholic theology on mary is particularly odd. But they can believe what they want but there should get defensive about it.


69 posted on 12/09/2012 8:34:31 AM PST by plain talk
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a false premise that has been turned into a wedge: the veneration of Mary detracts from the worship of Christ.

If the professor want to do this then he needs to deal with the undisciplined excess of Catholics who give more praise and adulation to Mary than to Christ Himself, including a parallelization that essentially deifies her, while he must also include the Orthodox as his enemies as they also deny the Immaculate Conception and her Ascension.

85 posted on 12/09/2012 10:53:37 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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I'd just like to say, as one of FR's long-time atheists, I am always fascinated by these discussions.

The Catholics vs Protestants variety is usually more interesting than Mormons vs Almost Everyone Else, as there are lots of posters on both sides as a result of Catholics not having gotten the en masse zot.

If I ever were to become a convert to Christianity, it would obviously be vital to my salvation to pick the right sect, and not mistakenly select one of all the others which are heretical....

.....but which is it????

143 posted on 12/09/2012 6:06:18 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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Following Mary, the Church has “pondered what sort of greeting this might be” for centuries. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception, ultimately defined in 1854, is nothing other than a rational expression of the angel’s greeting contained in Scripture: Mary is “already graced” with Christ’s redemption at the very moment of her creation.

If this concept was so 'biblical' and evident; WHY did it take SO long for it to be finalized?

385 posted on 12/11/2012 3:09:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Heretics, Christians and Idolatry is more accurate,


505 posted on 12/11/2012 1:57:29 PM PST by Happy Rain ("The 2nd Amendment is our Fail Safe--by God believe in it and be prepared to embrace it!")
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I was reading an article in Scientific American about Chimerian cells. These cells pass through the placenta from mother to child and from child to mother. These cells already do what scientists hoped stem cells will do. They speculate that women with multiple pregnancies have less Alzheimer’s because the cells are involved in healing. The father’s Chimerian cells are not passed to the child. It makes the creed that we say come alive. “Of one substance with the Father, wholly God and wholly man...”

Scientists Discover Children’s Cells Living in Mothers’ Brains

The connection between mother and child is ever deeper than thought

By Robert Martone
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-discover-childrens-cells-living-in-mothers-brain


581 posted on 12/12/2012 8:51:48 AM PST by Dutchgirl ("What I believe about God is the most important thing about me." A.W. Tozer)
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Thanks for posting this article. I think the this thread's comments both illustrate and validate the author's point, well worth re-posting here:

"Do Catholics worship Mary? This question is as old as the Protestant Reformation itself, and it rests, like other disputed doctrinal points, on a false premise that has been turned into a wedge: the veneration of Mary detracts from the worship of Christ.

"This seeming opposition between Mary and Christ is symptomatic of the Protestant tendency, begun by Luther, to view the entirety of Christian life through a dialectical lens – a lens of conflict and division. With the Reformation the integrity of Christianity is broken and its formerly coherent elements are now set in opposition. The Gospel versus the Law. Faith versus Works. Scripture versus Tradition. Authority versus Individuality. Faith versus Reason. Christ versus Mary.

"The Catholic tradition rightly sees the mutual complementarity of these elements of the faith, as they all contribute to our ultimate end – living with God now and in eternity. To choose any one of these is to choose them all…"


755 posted on 12/13/2012 10:11:51 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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“I do not want to be in a religion in which I am ‘allowed’ to have a crucifix. I feel the same about the much more controversial question of the honour paid to the Blessed Virgin. If people do not like that cult, they are quite right not to be Catholics. But in people who are Catholics, or call themselves Catholics, I want the idea not only liked but loved and loved ardently, and above all proudly proclaimed. I want it to be what the Protestants are perfectly right in calling it; the badge and sign of a Papist. I want to be allowed to be enthusiastic about the existence of the enthusiasm; not to have my chief enthusiasm coldly tolerated as an eccentricity of myself. And that is why, with all the good will in the world, I cannot feel the crucifix at one end of the town as a substitute for the little Roman Catholic Church at the other.” ~ G.K. Chesterton


1,346 posted on 12/16/2012 8:12:38 AM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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Like things aren’t bad enough that we need to revisit this battle every year.

Reverence to Mary is not idolatry. Period.


2,202 posted on 12/24/2012 1:03:50 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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I hope that by the time we reach # 5,000 the conflict will be resolved!


4,988 posted on 01/19/2013 6:25:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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