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Diocese Says Parish Must Hold Separate Communion Services
The Virginian Pilot ^ | 11/21/12 | Jeff Sheler

Posted on 11/21/2012 9:28:21 AM PST by marshmallow

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Richmond has told the nation's only blended Catholic and Episcopal parish it must change its worship services so Catholics and non-Catholics meet in separate rooms for Holy Communion.

The parish, Church of the Holy Apostles, is led by Catholic and Episcopal co-pastors and has worshipped together for more than 30 years.

It's an arrangement, parishioners say, that over the years has allowed families in mixed marriages to worship side by side and has helped build bonds that transcend denominational boundaries.

In an emotionally charged meeting Monday with parish leaders, representatives of the Catholic diocese voiced support for the ecumenical congregation, said the Rev. Michael Ferguson, the parish’s Episcopal pastor.

But the officials made it clear the current worship practice – using a combined liturgy in which the priests move to separate altars in the same room to say the Eucharistic prayers – was unacceptable, Ferguson said.

They instructed the parish to come up with a plan that provides for separate liturgies in separate rooms, Ferguson said.

“What was left in our laps was to develop a way to be together in those parts of the service where it would be acceptable to the diocese for us to be together and then to separate…without making it disjointed,” Ferguson said.

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The parish, Church of the Holy Apostles, is led by Catholic and Episcopal co-pastors and has worshipped together for more than 30 years.

Well that didn't take too long to straighten out......:-)

1 posted on 11/21/2012 9:28:27 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I sure hope they have partitions in Heaven.

Sheesh.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 9:37:16 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Well, wars were fought over the doctrine of Transubstantiation.


3 posted on 11/21/2012 9:39:16 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Jedidah

There is a partition between Purgatory and Heaven. There is also a partition between Hell and those in Purgatory/Heaven. The bible talks about separating the wheat from the chaff, doesn’t It?


4 posted on 11/21/2012 9:40:39 AM PST by impimp
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To: marshmallow
From 1977-2004 the diocese was headed by ultraliberal Wally Sullivan. This was his brainchild.

Since 2004 Bishop DiLorenzo has been rooting out the nest of Women's Ordination Conference supporters in the chancery, as well as a lot of other nonsense Wally had introduced.

This is yet another labor in the Augean Stables that is the Diocese of Richmond.

5 posted on 11/21/2012 9:42:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Jedidah
Should the pretense that the Episcopal Church is a Christian communion be kept up because it makes people feel better?
6 posted on 11/21/2012 9:45:44 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Jedidah
I sure hope they have partitions in Heaven

It's called "truth in advertising".

The Catholic and Episcopal Churches are not in communion and to pretend otherwise is to lie.

7 posted on 11/21/2012 9:54:02 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: wideawake

Dear Bishop DiLorenzo: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE come to Anchorage and kick some sense into the heads of the outdated but deeply entrenched wimmin’s ordination bunch up here! We are dying in Alaska because our parishes are still using 70’s style operations. Our parish, for instance, has the usual claque of dumpy, sixtyish women lurking about, interfering in as many ministries as they can wangle. We call them “The Coven.”


8 posted on 11/21/2012 9:57:32 AM PST by redhead (Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number $16,000,000,000,000)
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To: MrChips
"Well, wars were fought over the doctrine of Transubstantiation."

Really? What war? (No snark. I'm interested in the history.)

9 posted on 11/21/2012 10:06:49 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: impimp

The Bible speaks of many things, including shellfish.

The Church has the right - and the obligation - to adhere to its doctrine.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 10:11:18 AM PST by GalaxyAB
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To: marshmallow

How about side-by-side distributions, so each parishioner can choose whether he wants the Catholic Eucharist or Episcopal communion ;-). A survey to see who knows the difference would probably be interesting, too.


11 posted on 11/21/2012 10:20:10 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Jedidah
No, unless I misunderstand the situation, the Bishop's right on this one. The Episcopal Church and the Catholic Church are not, in fact, in Communion. This is sad, tragic, shameful, regrettable, painful, displeasing to God --- but true.

We should work for real, legitimate unity based on the truth, and not just ambiguous "optics" which suggest something that isn't there.

It's like non-married people not sleeping in the same bed. They may want to be married, they may intend to be married; but if they're not married, they shouldn't put themselves into an equivocal situation which evades the truth.

It's a difficult and even heartbreaking thing, as I well know, being in a religiously divided marriage myself. But it's not made better by strongly implying a communion which is in fact ruptured.

Heaven will be better :o/

12 posted on 11/21/2012 10:20:27 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

See the Thirty Years War, 1618 to 1648.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 10:29:17 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Also watch the film Lady Jane . . . very good treatment of the subject.
14 posted on 11/21/2012 10:30:47 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: marshmallow

Are they homosexual friendly too? Isn’t that an official theme of the Episcopal Church these days?


15 posted on 11/21/2012 10:31:35 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Tax-chick

. . . not only who knows the difference, but also why it matters.


16 posted on 11/21/2012 10:32:58 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Jedidah

I’m glad the Catholic Church is so totally focused on the most pressing issues of our time. / SARC SARC SARC SARC SARC SARC SARC SARC


17 posted on 11/21/2012 10:40:17 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GalaxyAB

I agree - I can’t believe they did what they did for 30 years.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 10:41:17 AM PST by impimp
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To: MrChips

Hideous religious warfare. Tore Europe to shreds. Tore the Body of Christ to shreds. No just over Transubstantiation, though.


19 posted on 11/21/2012 11:04:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Well, doing one thing right... you gotta start somewhere. Could be the start of a trend?


20 posted on 11/21/2012 11:05:48 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: impimp

Purgatory is as man-imagined as that partition between so-called believers that we read about on this thread.

Of course the Bible talks about separating the wheat from the chaff and the sheep from the goats, but in neither case are both of those groups believers, but rather those whom the Lord knows vs. those He does not.

And it’s not your job or my job to make that decision for Him.


21 posted on 11/21/2012 11:09:33 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I didn’t say “just”. But the doctrine of transubstantiation was (and is) a very big deal. Bigger then, I suppose, because of its implications for the place of, and power of, the Church in men’s lives.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 11:11:21 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Jedidah

I dunno. C.S. Lewis thought that purgatory was rather like taking a bath before one visits the Queen.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 11:12:49 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Jedidah
Purgatory is as man-imagined as that partition between so-called believers that we read about on this thread.

You omitted the caveat "in my unlearned opinion".

And it’s not your job or my job to make that decision for Him.

Stop digging before that hole you're in gets any deeper.

"And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us." 2 Thessalonians 3:6

24 posted on 11/21/2012 11:15:46 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Jedidah
For 'man-imagined", you can't top sola scriptura and your grade-school theology.
25 posted on 11/21/2012 11:26:30 AM PST by Steve1789 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You might want to look up the myriad of passages on unity and how the Lord feels about dissension within the brotherhood. Not to mention the “do not judge” scriptures and Jesus’ prayer in John 17 “that they be one, as we are one, so the world may know that thou hast sent me.”

Over the river and through the woods, off to Grandmother’s house I go. Happy Thanksgiving.


26 posted on 11/21/2012 11:27:03 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
Once again, stop digging. You're in way over your head, kid.

"Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation." Luke 12:51

"And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just?" Luke 12:57

27 posted on 11/21/2012 11:59:43 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Jedidah

“And it’s not your job or my job to make that decision for Him.”

Why did you say that? Is it “judgemental” to separate the Catholics from the non-catholics?

It is OUR decision to separate people. We don’t make the decision to separate for Him - we separate people because He tells us to. He founded a Church - the Catholic Church. And to have joint services causes scandal because it creates a false equivalence between the Real Body of Christ (i.e. the Catholic Eucharist) and the lie that is the Episcopal “Eucharist”.


28 posted on 11/21/2012 1:21:19 PM PST by impimp
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To: Jedidah

Don’t tell me about the “do not judge” scriptures.

The Bible COMMANDS us to judge the actions of others. “Do not judge” refers to judging the eternal location of someone’s soul. That is God’s job.

What religion are you anyway?


29 posted on 11/21/2012 1:25:22 PM PST by impimp
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To: marshmallow
The Roman Catholic Diocese of Richmond has told the nation's only blended Catholic and Episcopal parish it must change its worship services so Catholics and non-Catholics meet in separate rooms for Holy Communion.

The parish, Church of the Holy Apostles, is led by Catholic and Episcopal co-pastors and has worshipped together for more than 30 years.

Ping for later

30 posted on 11/21/2012 4:10:08 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Jedidah

Well, no Purgatory is the teaching of the Catholic Church. You disagree. If you are right, then it is “man-made.” if we are right, it is true doctrine. You have registered your vote. I vote the other way.


31 posted on 11/21/2012 5:12:59 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

I am not a Catholic, and do not even pretend to know what
God has in store for the believers. I read a piece on here
a few weeks back that made a good case for a place like
purgatory. Lord knows I need cleaned up and how He does it
does not matter to me. There’s this also, someone on here
has a good tagline that if we differ, then God will make it
clear when we get to Heaven.


32 posted on 11/21/2012 5:24:55 PM PST by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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35 posted on 11/21/2012 5:52:48 PM PST by narses
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To: Jedidah
You might want to look up the myriad of passages on unity and how the Lord feels about dissension within the brotherhood.

It is all about unity in Him -unity that comes from being aligned with Him. It is not about some moral relative peace through compromise. There are differences between the Catholic and Episcopal and THIS is where the conflict is rooted. Your peace on earth fantasy ignores the reality of division and what division truly represents for those with eyes open.

"Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division."
-- Luke 12:51

36 posted on 11/21/2012 6:56:07 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: MrChips

I watched that as a teen, and had nightmares for weeks. I’m afraid to watch it again. :)


37 posted on 11/21/2012 8:50:12 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Politicalmom

Why? It is a very good film.


38 posted on 11/21/2012 8:52:07 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: redhead

maybe a new parish is the remedy for you (and a different diocese in the same town you live in): http://www.ak-byz-cath.org/


39 posted on 11/22/2012 12:27:09 AM PST by vladimir998
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