Posted on 11/11/2012 12:59:52 PM PST by NYer
Or, it means this is all the life you get ~ then you die and are resurrected ~ but what are those souls doing popping up in John's Revelation BEFORE THEIR TIME?
One of the risks of doing too casual a reading of Scriptures is you scarf up a high point like 'die once' and build a massive theological position on that item whether or not it's consistent with all you think it is.
You can do exactly the same thing in Hinduism or Buddhism and come up with equally inconsistent positions on all sorts of other things.
Could be all of these beliefs are more properly mediated through an analysis in light of discoveries in quantum mechanics. Certainly God speaks to us in all those languages.
These are usually the choice of the carver ~ not the customer ~ but when it's custom made he's referring to a list and matching it up with what he knows of the family.
Recently the DNA researchers found the Sa'ami X-factor gene sequence in the Yakutz Sakha ~ and an archaeologist finally translated their holy books that they couldn't read any more and discovered it's a sort of book of kings traceable back to when they ruled India back in Buddha's time.
This is also the same group that provided the invaders who began taking over the Japanese islands in 560 AD. They formed the ruling class right down to modern times ~ and there's a reason they don't look like the average Japanese ~ 'cause they aren't.
Now, the book of non-Buddhist symbols used for family lanterns ~ ever run into it?
“Of course the RCC teaches all outside are lost.”
Hey, Brother Dutchboy - what line is that in the catechism?
Great read. And Bishop Sheen in The Life of Christ also notes that the birth of Christ struck history with such an impact that it split it into two: BC and AD.
The way the lead article started out, it was going to be a good read on comparative religions, until I came to this:
“By Catholic standards, the religions of the world can be ranked by how much truth they teach. Catholicism is first...”
I didn’t read any further, just another back handed attempt by Papists pushing their “all you non-Catholic Christians bow down in subservience to the Pope now...and Mary too while you are at it. The RCC is the only true church, blah, blah, blah.” Catholicism ranked first by how much truth it preaches? Truth, my eye.
A FReeper on another thread in the general section, noted that FR seems to be a politically conservative Catholic site. I agreed with him. Maybe not officially so, but it is definitely flooded with Papist pushing threads like this one.
FReepers who are conservative but not Papists wish things were a little more even handed around here.
hehe
Yes, the FR Religion Forum is mostly Catholic spam bandwidthwise.
But a few things I’ve learned:
No one speaks for the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church takes definitive stands on all sorts of issues, but no one can say exactly what those stands are.
and
Anyone Catholic who disagrees with any particular Catholic FReeper’s assertions is poorly catechized.
You would be a more effective antagonist if you actually had a clue. "Of course" you know more about Catholicism than Peter Kreeft does. "Of course"! Of course Kreeft is a Catholic -- but you obviously know his religion better than he does -- and a philosophy professor with a long list of publications in both philosophy and apologetics, including works that are published by Protestant houses like IVP -- and you are ... your credentials are what ... exactly?
Your statement, *of course*, is quite false. Read the Catechism, nos. 811 through 865.
Teaching authority in the Church is vested in the Pope and the Bishops teaching in union with him. That means it's *not* vested in any definitive sense in an individual bishop, and still less in an individual priest, etc. Seems easy enough to me.
The Catechism, available online, is an authoritative, albeit not absolutely infallible, statement of Catholic belief. That again seems to be quite straightforward.
“If you meet the Buddha on the road, Kill him”
Psalm 2....”Kiss the Son lest you perish before he has gotten just a little angry....”
Revelation “Behold I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will hear my voice, and will open the door, I will come in with him and will sup with him and he with me”
Christian don’t adhere to Christ as an ICON, they adhere to him as branches to a vine! Our very souls depend on that fact. So much for comparisons with Buddhism
“Salvation deals with the here and now and this life”
Wrong again!
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
Well, then, John Paul got it wrong about only those who actually belong to the RCC being rescued. I suspected a fair amount of what he said was incorrect.
And, certainly, I do not care about the ridiculous catechism and memorizing error-ridden mantras. I will leave that to sheeple of the RCC & Islam. For believers in Christ, we concentrate on the Scriptures and understanding what God has provided through the writers of the NT...something the RCC seems to have overlooked to its peril. Nevertheless, we invite you folks out of the darkness and into His marvelous light...should He permit.
“I do not care about the ridiculous catechism”
Then you should not be saying anything about what the Catholic church teaches.
It’s a statement of fact, “BY CATHOLIC STANDARDS”, Kreeft is a Catholic, so he’s going to speak by and for Catholics.
The title of this thread, and Kreeft’s book, would lead one to think this thread was actually going to be about Christianity in general, I didn’t think I was going to get it thrown in my face how allegedly superior the RCC is. I should have known better though, it goes on here all the time. It gets a little old after a while.
So you’re going to whine and complain about an excellent article that provides a rationale for choosing Christ over every other religion?
Whine and complain, who is it that also likes to use that phrase? Leftists use it all the time when somebody simply states the truth about the oppressive control the main stream media has. I wasn’t whining and complaining, I was simply stating the truth, that’s all.
As to your other point, you tell me the article was about Christ over every other religion. So you say, couldn’t prove it by me, like I said, I never got past the article’s opening back slap against all Christians who are not Papists. Pretty shameless to use such sneaky tactics.
“you tell me the article was about Christ over every other religion”
Yes, I read the entire article. Kreeft is making the rather provocative argument - starting from a few provable premises, that all the conclusions he draws later on are also true. He is arguing why Christianity is superior to all the other religions simply because of these points.
You should be taking notes not complaining. About half of his material is from Chesterton - which is why the article sounds like Chesterton.
The argument that God would send warning of his son’s arrival is an interesting point - as well as the anticipation by non-Christians that the messiah would appear in the Holy Land.
Did you skip over all these parts? These are excellent, excellent tools. And you’re going to ignore Kreeft because he’s Catholic?
I think you need to examine his presuppositions some more - you aren’t helping your own argument and are actually helping Kreeft’s, btw.
I don’t need a Catholic article, using the author’s asinine and arrogant notion of the superiority of the Papacy as a basis for his argumentation, reiterating it to his fellow Catholics as if it is a fact, I don’t need his argumentation, I already believed Christ is supreme before I came across this article. I don’t waste my time reading Papist material. In that regard, I have wasted enough time already conversing with you. Have a good day, bye now.
If you believe that everything the RCC purports to be the Gospel is in your catechism, then you are the one who should not be saying anything, my FRiend.
I do not believe that the Gospel of the Catholic church is the catechism. The Gospel is the Gospel of the Catholic church.
You’d know this too if you read a catechism.
I suggest you read one if you want others to take your assessment of Catholicism and it’s teachings seriously.
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