Posted on 11/09/2012 9:10:29 PM PST by Colofornian
what religion is a crooked voting machine anyways?
LOL
Not important.
This thread just seeks to blame evangelicals (or whoever) for a fail because Romney was a Mormon.
This threads starter does not wish to acknowledge voter fraud.
Not important.
This thread just seeks to blame evangelicals (or whoever) for a fail because Romney was a Mormon.
This threads starter does not wish to acknowledge voter fraud.
Religion is about ideas - even if it’s ideas about the spiritual.
This was a purely materialistic, identity based, color-or-lady-parts election.
It’s not time for intra-finger-pointing from anyone. It’s time to recognize that demographics and identity are King in the US, as they are in the rest of the West. That was inevitable, if early in arriving, and is only going to grow.
This incarnation of liberty is over. That’s not a sad thing ... it’s what happens. The question is what’s next.
I am amused that the loser GOPe wants to blame conservatives for Romney’s loss when the reality is its Romney’s liberalism that lost the election.
Funny that way, why vote for a liberal when one is already in power
U.S.: Catholics split fifty fifty between Republicans and Democrats.
Naturally, from a voting point of view, this fact should be read in light of one determining factor: religious practice. Catholics and Protestants who go to church every week chose Romney over Obama with a difference of 20%, whereas the Democratic candidate was 25% ahead in terms of the votes gained from individuals who practiced their faith less regularly.
Atheist
I heard today that Obama took 64% of the Jewish vote. I guess it’s time for me to quit being concerned about the fate of Israel since they seem ok with their choice for our ally relationship.
In one Ohio county, Obama recieved 108% of the registered vote
My response to you is NOT about what the Protestants did or did not do. My observation is this article is deceptive. It is not a fifty fifty split according to whomever is publishing the numbers. The split was 50% of Catholics voted for Obama, and 48% of Catholics voted for Romney. So did that other two percent stay home, vote some third party?
Where did these numbers come from? And given this article is about Catholics why the need to inject Protestants into the excuse filled article? Fact is that the majority of Catholics in the United States are liberal. It was elected and appointed liberal Catholics that produced Obama's 'deathcare' act. Are we suppose to whitewash reality?
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Blame the atheists!!
70%-26% = 44% x 12% of the electorate = 5.3% of the popular vote. More than enough to swing the election to Zero.
Here's one possibility from John Derbyshire. Long, but worth the read.
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As I have been saying, there is no unity among white Americans. The old splits of education, class, sex, religion, city-country, and of course North-South still divide whites, and that is the basis of most of our politics. The Republican Party is white, sure enough, but whites aren't Republican.
This will presumably be less and less the case as whites head for minority status. At some point the fact of impending minority status will sink in, and whites will begin to sink their differences and circle the wagons. At some point the Lee Kuan Yew principle will take over. I've quoted it before, and I'll quote it again, because it's very quotable in this context. Quote from Lee Kuan Yew, who was Prime Minister of Singapore for thirty years, and the power behind the curtain for a further twenty in that very successful city-state, quote:
'In multiracial societies, you don't vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.'
http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2012-11-10.html
Religion is what did Mittens in. The GOP must get off the Religion Opiate —Young cool voters don’t go for it—its too square —too 20th Century. Only cool religions are Islam and Buddhism. Being Cool is better than being smart (that’s for eggheads). The biggest sin is being dull.
Getting off the religion thing would help, yes.
There is one thing - not something I necessarily disagree with, but I think is left out. in reality this isn't about race ... it's about ideas, but ideas have been circumscribed by the most fatal flaw of man - mistaking the manifest for the unmanifest. That's a vague sentence, so ...
I always use the example of Golden Retrievers and Black Labs. As a human, as past employee, as an employer, as a party goer, friend, family member, member of this or that social group ... I just say "Give me the smartest, the most positive, the hardest working, the most committed" ... those are the coin of the realm in my life.
Fur color ... if you're a dog, is not (usually) and indication of anything. Nor is eye color.
I never understood racism - I just can't grasp it ... it's totally unintelligent. To me, the only reason blacks are a cogent group rallying around victimhood is not their color, but the very mistake that made their ancestors victims is the very mistake they are perpetuating, that they are somehow different. Had whites reproduced in Africa, and Blacks in northern locals, Blacks would have had a hand up in technology, and enslaved whites. It's a mistake of history whose victimes are only casually correlated to color. Just as it was blacks who sold blacks into slavery, and were already enslaving blacks, today, they are destroying themselves at a far higher rate than whites. But it could have been brown and yellow, red and green.
So where I differ from John is ... and this is where I did that "wow this makes me think of ... " thing which was followed by exactly that ... is that I don't believe most Republicans are actually racist or ethnicists. I'm making the leap that they are like me. I just don't give a sh*t ... smart, positive, hard working etc ... THAT part is about values.
But if you get sent to prison, and 3 out of 4 'colors' of people band together, under the ridiculous flag that 'oh we just happen to think alike' ... then what choice do you have? You put on the 'white' uniform not because you believe it's a uniform that means anything really, but because if you don't, you'll die.
Slaves are black as a mistake of history. But so are Republicans. Proper Republicans don't see color - we are far more like MLK's speech (as a human, I'm not sure he was so great) ... but in my experience, average breathing Republicans and even simple Democrat voters ... WE DON'T CARE about race. But now we're forced to ... because if color and ethnicity is the coin of the realm, and those wearing different color uniforms want to kill anyone in the white uniform ... if stupidity is the coin of the realm ... then out of self preservation you circle the wagon based on that.
"Prison" was the simile I had in mind just when John wrote about it one sentence later. Sure, some Aryans in prison really are racists, but I'd be willing to bet most just identify that way for survival.
There is so much more to say ... but in prison, if 4 of the 5 colors individually unite among themselves, then the 5th better do so too, even if it's only a means of survival. It's as stupid as the football team in your hometown actually being your favorite. Football's fun, so it doesn't matter - I indulge in it myself ... but human value ... once you associate based on uniform color and brand, you're f*cked as a species - everyone is f*cked, and man's progress is locked.
That's why I keep saying to friends who care about this - it's all about demographics, which is based on identity, not ideas.
The issue of racism is entirely about man having progressed to the point where possibly he can pay attention to the invisible rather than the visible, but he doesn't do so in great enough numbers.
I'd be proud to be white ... except that's not what I'm proud of ... I'm proud to be a simple dog, living on the earth, who never stops to consider if he's a golden retriever or black lab. I just want to go around hanging out with smart, hard working, passionate other dogs. But if all the other dogs are addicted to sub-sub-species - based not on ideas and merit, but based on a combination of fur color and history which is itself a result of fur color, then it's a hostile planet upon which I'm not necessarily enlightened, but smart, to circle the wagon.
People of like ideas should circle the wagon, not people of like attributes, attributes which bear no real correlation to value. I believe among most whites and east asians, we function on the principle that merit is all that matters (and hence, not surprisingly, those two groups accelerate,) and it's born out in that Obama has received 4 trillion billion more votes from intelligent people than he ever deserved, and yet blacks and hispanics vote for him at 90% and 70% respectively. Yes, it's the same as prison.
Thanks for sending that - it's been years since I read him ... he's changed, become more sure of himself on this stuff. My only disagreement, which may not be a disagreement at all, is that the fact that it manifests as 'color politics' is due to a fundamental error, but a habitual one, among man. I don't think Republicans, as much as I've had it with them, share the problem - what I see is that Obama wants people to be identified with color, because it benefits his vision or lack of one.
For Obama, that visit to his drunkard father's grave was not about anything spiritual, it was about whether he would embrace or hate one color or another. He chose his father's color, his father's ideology - the very ideas that turned him into a drunk in the first place, that killed him, and that have kept Kenya in the trash. It's really about ideas, but among an electorate that's still hypnotized by color and ethnic origin, it isn't, because their only idea is "my color, my most recent country, my false sense of identity."
Sorry - no editing ...thanks for the response.
Lets stop with the “demographics” b/s
Romney ran a Johnny One Note Campaign. Used a poison dart blow gun when he should have used a cannon loaded with grape shot because he had pleanty of stuff he could fill that cannon barrel with..
They failed to hammer away on what will happen when Obama gets returned; The Obama 2013/14 Tax Increases. The impact of Obamas energy policies..(a socialist construct never branded as such) and a bread and butter issue which reaches into every demographics pocketbook...The impact of Supreme Court(snip)
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