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Washington Bishops Seek Stronger Catechesis After Same-sex Marriage Vote
CathNews USA ^ | 11/9/12

Posted on 11/09/2012 6:24:36 AM PST by marshmallow

Voter approval of a Washington state referendum legalizing same-sex marriage was greeted by a call for “real and respectful dialogue in our church” by the organization of Catholics supporting Referendum 74 — and by bishops’ statements their sees to stronger catechesis on traditional and sacramental marriage.

“We are very proud that Catholics around the country followed their consciences rather than the rigid position of the hierarchy, and their voting reflected the spirit of Catholic social teaching,” said the statement from Catholics for Marriage Equality Washington, alluding to other successful popular votes legalizing same-sex marriage in Maine and Maryland.

“Sadly, our bishops chose to ignore both Gospel and pastoral wisdom in their aggressive opposition to civil marriage for all God’s children,” the statement added. “They also failed to stand up for deep Catholic American respect for proper separation of church and state and for simple fairness to all.”

In a statement released the day after the balloting, when it seemed likely the marriage equality law would be ratified 52 percent to 48 percent, Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain said he was “disappointed that so many voters failed to recognize marriage between a man and a woman as the natural institution for the permanent, faithful covenant of love for a couple, for bringing children into the world, and for nurturing and educating those children.”

“Despite the election results, the campaign has been an opportunity for the church to reaffirm its consistent teaching on marriage,” Sartain wrote. “The campaign to preserve marriage as a union between a man and a woman represents a starting point for a long-term effort to educate Catholics about its meaning and purpose. The church offers a vision of marriage and family life that enriches our communities and society and we remain committed to that vision while respecting the......

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1 posted on 11/09/2012 6:24:42 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Um.. Your Excellencies.. the horses have already left the barn. The time to do this was last decade.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 6:31:26 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: marshmallow

I’m catholic but have lost interest in any complaints of the church.

They are Due to

Anti immigration reform.

Support higher taxes to pay for social programs.

Anti punishment policies for crimes against citizens.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 6:32:20 AM PST by Morris70
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To: marshmallow

“Catholics for Marriage Equality” is a misnomer. The moment the made the decision to support gay marriage they were no longer catholic. Tired of these former catholics going out there and completely violating the moral laws of the church and still claiming to be Catholic. Religion is a choice not a nationality, if you do not follow the teachings of a religion then you are not of that religion it is just that simple.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 6:33:05 AM PST by Howdyneighbor
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To: marshmallow

“Religion is a choice not a nationality, if you do not follow the teachings of a religion then you are not of that religion it is just that simple.”

Agree w/ you. And that applies to ALL religions, too. We are living in an upside down world, where evil is good, and good is evil.

I am convinced we are in the end times. Come soon Lord Jesus!


5 posted on 11/09/2012 6:37:29 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Morris70
Anti immigration reform.

False.

Support higher taxes to pay for social programs.

False.

Anti punishment policies for crimes against citizens.

False.

The Church's actual positions are:

(1) That the immigration system, which is clearly broken, needs to be reformed on a basis that respects the dignity of the human person.

(2) That there needs to be a system of social support for the needy and helpless. If that basic minimum can be supplied by more efficient use of taxes rather than increasing them, the Church could never have any objection.

(3) That life in prison without parole is preferable to the death penalty. The Church is not against punishing criminals, but generally against the state killing its citizens.

6 posted on 11/09/2012 6:44:46 AM PST by wideawake
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To: marshmallow
"Catholics for Marriage Equality Washington"
The Bishop should have made it clear that anyone who joined a group with that name was at once a "former Catholic".

There's no "respectful dialogue" with Satan, it's that simple, and until the Bishops wake up enough to recognize Satan's troops for what they are rather than seeing them as misguided sheep nothing will change.

7 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:15 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

This is very disappointing. We’ll see plenty of calls for the Church to capitulate and we’ll be fighting the administration every day for the next four years.

What ever happened to no means no?


8 posted on 11/09/2012 7:12:48 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: wideawake
(3) That life in prison without parole is preferable to the death penalty. The Church is not against punishing criminals, but generally against the state killing its citizens.

Life in prison is a cowards death penalty. You're still taking someone's life away, you're just doing it slowly.

When people choose to break a law they do so while accepting the penalty that comes with that law. If you don't enforce the penalty then there is no law.

The death penalty is justified. And men should have the courage to carry it out.
9 posted on 11/09/2012 7:13:31 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: marshmallow

The CCC will soon be considered hate speech.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 7:15:12 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: wideawake

Thank you.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 7:17:50 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Rashputin

“The Bishop should have made it clear that anyone who joined a group with that name was at once a ‘former Catholic’.”


I agree 100% However, it would be a toothless edict because:

1. Any so-called Roman Catholic who supports same-sex “marriage” probably isn’t an active Catholic anyhow (at best Xmas and Easter only)
2. Unless the various dioceses in WA could identify conclusively the memebers of such a group and formally threaten them with excommunication, it wouldn’t make any difference.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 7:22:08 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: marshmallow

I’m really thinking of starting to attend SSPX services.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 7:22:19 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: wideawake

Everything you said is False.
I’m sure the church appreciates your apology tour.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 7:36:45 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Morris70
Everything you said is False.

So you say. But your original allegations have no substance, and you've presented no evidence to back up your original fraudulent claims, or to refute my correction of them.

I’m sure the church appreciates your apology tour.

I do not correct your false statements to gain appreciation, but to fulfill a moral obligation to speak up when the faithful are being slandered.

15 posted on 11/09/2012 7:56:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: ScottinVA; SW6906

Where was Archbishop Sartain during the weeks before the election? No pastoral letter was read during the homily at my parish last weekend. I haven’t seen any public statement regarding the hundreds of self-proclaimed Catholics who listed their names in a full-page ad supporting the queers.

Where was the admonishment that anyone voting for that Kenyan usurper and his Democrat minions down ballot that support abortion is complicit in evil and places their immortal soul in jeopardy?

He failed in his pastoral duty to his flock and so did many of his parish priests. I would rather cast the cafeteria Catholics out of the church without regard to the fiscal consequences.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 7:59:25 AM PST by namsman
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To: ScottinVA; Morris70
**Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain **

This is a Bishop with a

 

He will do it!

17 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
Life in prison is a cowards death penalty.

Your personal opinion of what constitutes bravery or cowardice is, frankly, worthless.

There are two considerations here:

(1) Life without parole is a reversible penalty if legal mistakes have been made.

(2) Placing the power of life or death in the hands of the state is a weighty matter.

In the United States of America, for the moment, this power may be exercised responsibly and justly. In much of the world it is not. And the Church has the responsibility to weigh matters universally, not geographically or temporally.

18 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

50% of Catholics voted for Obama. Even they are divided.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 8:02:35 AM PST by sigzero
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To: namsman
**Where was Archbishop Sartain during the weeks before the election?**

If you had been keeping up with FR you might have known the answer to your question. He was busy doing something for the Pope and for us!

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20 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:33 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: namsman

I’m thinking that he did write a letter, even though he was busy elsewhere.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:24 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wideawake
The Church's actual positions are: (1) That the immigration system, which is clearly broken, needs to be reformed on a basis that respects the dignity of the human person. (2) That there needs to be a system of social support for the needy and helpless. If that basic minimum can be supplied by more efficient use of taxes rather than increasing them, the Church could never have any objection. (3) That life in prison without parole is preferable to the death penalty. The Church is not against punishing criminals, but generally against the state killing its citizens.

This church does not have authority from God to strip me of my God given rights. But hey it was elected liberal Catholics that gave Obama his deathcare act. The pope is for universal healthcare, and by definition from this modern age would be birth control in whatever form a liberal decides they are willing to fund.

I do not want this nation turned into Mexico for the so called sake of 'dignity of the human person'. When in fact what is being done is filling empty pews and begging baskets and mandating the rest of US to fund their healthcare and their education.

22 posted on 11/09/2012 8:17:47 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Salvation

He might have spared a moment or two in order to take care of business closer to home for a few weeks. I’m all on-board with suppressing heretical nuns but in comparison to the great evil unleashed in Washington state, they are small potatoes.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 8:57:07 AM PST by namsman
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To: namsman

Aren’t heretical nuns part of this same problem?


24 posted on 11/09/2012 9:28:58 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Just mythoughts
This church does not have authority from God to strip me of my God given rights.

Which rights, in particular, do you consider to be stripped?

But hey it was elected liberal Catholics that gave Obama his deathcare act.

I'm not sure why the existence of apostate Catholics is an excuse for the Catholic Church to sit by in silence on moral issues.

The pope is for universal healthcare

That's a mischaracterization.

and by definition from this modern age would be birth control in whatever form a liberal decides they are willing to fund.

Hence the Church's view that "universal healthcare" as it is conceived today is flawed.

I do not want this nation turned into Mexico for the so called sake of 'dignity of the human person'.

The number one reason why the US would be "turned into Mexico" is Americans contracepting and aborting their next generation of descendants.

There would be no "immigration crisis" if Americans believed enough in America to populate it.

When in fact what is being done is filling empty pews and begging baskets and mandating the rest of US to fund their healthcare and their education.

In point of fact, Mexicans living in the US are not particularly avid churchgoers or contributors. Mexico is an aggressively secular nation - just because someone comes from Mexico is hardly a guarantee that he is a believer.

25 posted on 11/09/2012 9:39:27 AM PST by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

Too late.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 10:49:14 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Hacksaw
I’m really thinking of starting to attend SSPX services.

First check out the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter.

27 posted on 11/12/2012 2:30:02 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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