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Obamas collision with the Catholic Church is 'assured,' Fr. Pavone says
Life Site News ^ | November 7, 2012 | BEN JOHNSON

Posted on 11/08/2012 12:39:43 PM PST by NYer

CHICAGO, November 7, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) –  President Obama’s re-election sets up a looming clash with people of faith over abortion, marriage, and the implementation of government-controlled health care –a fight the pro-life movement has vowed to carry out by defying the president, reforming an increasingly unfriendly Republican Party, and building a culture of life that transcends the boundaries of politics.

A second Obama term means “the collision course of the Obama administration with the Catholic Church…is assured,” said Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life after the election.

He was outraged by the fact that a majority of his fellow Catholics voted for Obama, the most pro-abortion president in history.

“Many in Church leadership failed to connect the dots between personnel and policy,” he explained. “They prayed and preached against the HHS mandate, but then were silent about the election – and called the police to remove citizens who leafleted the Church parking lot trying to inform voters about where the candidates stood on this issue.”

Such rebuffs from faithless laity and fainthearted leaders would not deter the faithful.

“The pro-life cause will prevail in America,” Fr. Pavone said. “In the elections of 2014, we will work for a pro-life Senate majority to further blunt the ability of President Obama to damage the cause of life.”

To do so, they may have to reclaim the Republican Party, which most pro-life voters call home.

“We all need to stand guard now. They will try to kick pro-life values out of the Republican Party and blame the abortion/rape question for the loss,” Kristan Hawkins of Students for Life of America wrote on her Facebook page. “Please stand ready to respond.” 

Soon forces inside the party proved her right. Greg Valliere of the Potomac Research Group went on Fox Business to urge Republicans to be “much more conciliatory on things like immigration and social issues,” particularly abortion. 

The political movement will be met with a cultural and social effort to educate Americans about life and change hearts about the horrors of abortion.

The Obama administration has attempted to chill this speech, with Attorney General Eric Holder filing frivolous lawsuits against sidewalk counselors like Mary Susan Pine and churning out reports branding pro-life Christians potential domestic terrorists.

Fr. Pavone called on pro-lifers to “an unwavering commitment to civil disobedience.”

Kelly Clinger wrote, “I will go save babies as long as I still have the right to do so!” In what may have been a tweak at the president’s re-election slogan, she sent the message under the hashtag “Forward.”

One of the longtime leaders of the pro-life movement, Joe Scheidler of the Pro-Life Action League, said his “mission continues: Confront society with the ugliness of abortion, save babies and women from the tragedy of abortion, and build the Culture of Life.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; bho44; catholicvote; christianity; marriage; pavone; religiousliberty
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1 posted on 11/08/2012 12:39:54 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Well the Catholics are about to get a well-deserved rude awakening. If a majority of them were stupid enough to vote for him agian; they deserve whatever they get.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 12:41:39 PM PST by Jean2
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
“We all need to stand guard now. They will try to kick pro-life values out of the Republican Party and blame the abortion/rape question for the loss,” Kristan Hawkins of Students for Life of America wrote on her Facebook page.

It has already begun.

PS - am I the only one unable to search titles on FR?

3 posted on 11/08/2012 12:41:57 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Under liberalism, believing in a diety is like believing in the Easter Bunny.......a childish, unsophisticated way of living life.

American Catholics voted for Obama. The Church has no support and will be relegated to the Smithsonian with all the other obsolete religions.

Consuming the handouts of the state is now our religion.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 12:43:25 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: NYer
I have supreme confidence that the US Catholic bishops will find a way to accommodate Ubamacare's abortion and contraception mandate.

Martyrs for Jesus, they are not.

5 posted on 11/08/2012 12:44:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: NYer

A collision? with the catholics? they are the ones who voted him in.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 12:44:35 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: NYer

In a related story: “Obama wins Catholic vote, loses ground among white evangelicals”

http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/177880491.html

Looks like the Catholic Church needs to do some work with their followers too.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 12:46:34 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: NYer

No, it’s not.

If true it would have occurred on Tuesday. Priests and Bishops would have been taking to every pulpit at every Mass instructing the faithful that “a vote to re-elect this man is tantamount to a mortal sin”.

Instead they took a nuanced approach, not wanting to upset Hispanics, union members, or other Catholics who vote Democrat and who always show up at Bingo and put money in the collection baskets.

Church leadership is going to slink back into a corner and pretend this never happened, just as they’ve been doing in Europe for 40+ years. The courage of their convictions, they have not.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 12:46:44 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

His fellow Catholics choose socialism over life and having homo marriage. Who cares about those as long as we have socialism.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 12:48:43 PM PST by RetiredArmy (November 6, 2012: The day the United States Republic DIED.)
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To: NYer
Obama’s collision with the Catholic Church is 'assured,' Fr. Pavone says

Sure they'll clash with Obama. Right. /s

10 posted on 11/08/2012 12:49:39 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: NYer
". . . pro-life Senate majority . . . "

Uh, what? Where did the pro-life Senate majority come from?

11 posted on 11/08/2012 12:50:10 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: NYer

I recall at onetime being perplexed over how in the world the German people could have allowed Hitler to do what he did.

Now, I understand it very well.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 12:50:52 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: NYer

What utter nonsense. I left the Catholic Church a long time ago over their marxist economic bs.

The catholic church is so corrupt its not even funny. They will fall in line wo a fight.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 12:52:36 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: NYer
“The pro-life cause will prevail in America,”

Yeah, that was proven out on Tuesday, right, Padre? Ain't gonna happen. Apparently you didn't get the memo... the state is the church in New Amerika.

14 posted on 11/08/2012 12:53:21 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: NYer
White Catholics voted 60-40 for Romney.

Hispanic Catholics voted 80-20 for Obama.

15 posted on 11/08/2012 12:54:01 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: ScottinVA

He should have said Obama COALITION & COOPERATION from the Catholic Church is assured.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 12:55:53 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: NYer

I keep waiting for Cardinals to make examples of Biden, Pelosi, Leahy, and so forth, by denying them Holy Communion.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 1:02:11 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Hispanic Catholics voted 80-20 for Obama.

Shame on them.

18 posted on 11/08/2012 1:04:09 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
White Catholics voted 60-40 for Romney.

Hispanic Catholics voted 80-20 for Obama.

I never understood people saying Hispanics have stronger family values than most! Actually, I think it's no better than any other group.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 1:07:10 PM PST by notaliberal (We are all communist's now!)
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To: Jean2
Well the Catholics are about to get a well-deserved rude awakening.

Is that your message, as well, for the Black Protestants, 95% of whom voted for Obama?

20 posted on 11/08/2012 1:08:45 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Father Pavone should not expect the politicians to be the preacher on morals. They count votes. Father Pavone should advocate more preaching to change the minds of the listeners. Majority wins.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 1:08:45 PM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: onyx
Shame on them, and SHAME on the mealy-mouthed bishops who didn't and don't have backbone to stand firmly against Obama.

They are too worried about loss of membership. So what if all these CINOs leave the Church? The Church will have to consolidate, sure. But having all these CINOs in the church doesn't increase church influence because all these rat-votings don't agree with or represent Catholic values and teachings anyway.

The wheat will be separated from the chaff. The bishops need to realize this, accept it and grow a pair.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 1:09:12 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: notaliberal

The out-of-wedlock birth rate among Hispanics is 53%, 2x the rate among whites.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 1:12:09 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: don-o
"Now, I understand it very well."

Yup, and there are millions of people who call themselves conservative who are patting themselves on the back for staying home and not voting. Instead of at least stabilizing the patient they decided that if there were no instant cure the patient may as well just go ahead and die.

I wonder how many of them will stay silent rather than complaining since they stayed home rather than even trying?

24 posted on 11/08/2012 1:12:48 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: NYer

They voted for him. So they get what they deserve.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 1:14:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Erik Latranyi
Under liberalism, believing in a diety is like believing in the Easter Bunny.......a childish, unsophisticated way of living life.

You are absolutely right. Who needs God when we have government? It used to be that when someone went on unemployment, they had to give up certain niceties in life until they could find a job. Today, going on unemployment or welfare warrants the individual is entitled to the 'basics' in life - flat screen tv, "Obama"phone, food stamps, etal. Why bother working?

26 posted on 11/08/2012 1:15:23 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: Jean2; NYer
I am soo sick of the Catholic bashing. Don't you realize how the exit polling worked here? Any Tom, Dick or Harry who was baptized in the Church but hasn't been to Mass since they were 8 years old or the 'catholics' that only go to Mass on Christmas are Catholic about as much as Ackmadinnerjacket is.

The USCCB has been very vocal, and surprisingly united over the HHS mandate. Even the liberal bishops saw the light and every single bishop came out loudly against the mandate.

I'll grant that there are still liberal priests and bishops about and some use the fear of losing thier 501c3 status as a shield, but the priests and bishops I have heard have been pretty direct about this election. Don't speak of that which you don't know.

Cardinal Dolan said boldly (and it is looking clearer and clearer) that "my successor will die in prison... and his successor will die a martyr". The Pope himself said that the Church would become smaller, but it would also become stronger. There's a lot of fight in the Catholic organizations out there and they are leading the charge for life. Easy enough to use this opportunity to bash the Church, or you can join the fight in our common cause to defend the innocent unborn from encroaching and emboldened socialism. No matter the stripe or color, we can all take up the fight together. It is pointless to turn on your brothers and sisters. Unless you are relishing Tuesday's outcome.
27 posted on 11/08/2012 1:20:31 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: NYer

The question is: why wasn’t this the case FOUR YEARS AGO?


28 posted on 11/08/2012 1:20:32 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NYer

The seeds for a second American civil war have been planted.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 1:20:57 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Jean2

Sadly, these “Catholics” are NOT Sunday Church goers....they are CINO’s, and will have a LOT to answer for in eternity.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 1:21:08 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Include parish priests with the bishops.

We do not need cafeteria Catholics.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 1:21:19 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: StarFan

bookmark


32 posted on 11/08/2012 1:26:11 PM PST by StarFan
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To: Graing

AMEN!! My priests and Bishop were adamnat in the bulletins and sermons and paryers!! I was VERY happy.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 1:26:51 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: onyx; Wyrd bið ful aræd

Too little, too late, the issue is the Catholic vote.

Catholics have always voted democrat, it is argued whether 1972 was the first time or the second time (1956) that the Catholic vote went republican, in history.

Hispanics were not around then.

Just as the white Catholics started drifting toward voting republican , JFK’s democratic party and Rome’s immigration policy was replacing them with Hispanic Catholics, so the Catholic denomination’s vote will remain as it always has, democratic.

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


34 posted on 11/08/2012 1:28:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: NYer
Today, going on unemployment or welfare warrants the individual is entitled to the 'basics' in life - flat screen tv, "Obama"phone, food stamps, etal. Why bother working?

Rush said is years ago.....we have made being unemployed, uneducated, etc too easy for the people.

35 posted on 11/08/2012 1:32:01 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: ansel12
The real issue is not the Catholic vote.

Judging by turnout, we all know the real issue - we are just afraid to confront it. Millions of conservatives decided to "teach the GoP a lesson" because Romney was not conservative enough for them, RomneyCare, etc. and simply refused to vote for him. The turnout, compared to turnout for McCain, tells a pretty clear story.

Yes, conservatives who were staying home out of principle and refusing to vote for Romney we a major reason we have the second term of Obama.
36 posted on 11/08/2012 1:34:50 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: RetiredArmy
His fellow Catholics choose socialism over life and having homo marriage.

The nominal ones. There is a body of dogmatic teaching in Catholicism that all Catholics must adhere to and be judged by --even priests and bishops.

Nonetheless, bishops here, and in Europe, have been soft on socialism. Since public policy is largely an area of prudential judgement, it's difficult to ride herd on bishops. Statesmanship isn't their primary responsibility, but it is tangentially related to their mission of saving souls. And some public policy issues relating to intrinsic evils, such as abortion, euthanasia, and homosexual "marriage," clearly fall within the responsibility of clergy to address.

Finally, there are some bright spots. The Church has led the fight against abortion in the U.S. since at least Roe v. Wade. Ask anyone involved in the movement.

And in Massachusetts, Catholic Charities closed their adoption agencies rather than participate in facillitating the adoption of children by homosexuals.

37 posted on 11/08/2012 1:35:08 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Graing

AMEN!


38 posted on 11/08/2012 1:37:00 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: Graing
Any Tom, Dick or Harry who was baptized in the Church but hasn't been to Mass since they were 8 years old or the 'catholics' that only go to Mass on Christmas are Catholic about as much as Ackmadinnerjacket is.

The Catholic category is much more rigid and exclusive than the Protestant category, "Catholic" means members of that single denomination, of that single teaching, single culture, of people actually baptized into that church, and who still consider themselves as members of that church, which they are.

To be counted as "Protestant" they merely have to be Christian and not Catholic. They don't have have ever to belonged to any church, or even be baptized, or they can belong to any range of churches or denominations, Black, Episcopalian, homosexual, Obama's church, Southern Baptist, Lutherans, or whatever.

39 posted on 11/08/2012 1:37:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Graing
we a major reason we have the second term of Obama.

Oops : *were


40 posted on 11/08/2012 1:38:35 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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Yes actually.

They put their tribe in front of Christ. As did (by the numbers) many Catholics.

The difference is IMHO is that no one really expect the black churches to have any courage in their convictions.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 1:42:57 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

What “collision”? Obama won the Catholic vote...


42 posted on 11/08/2012 1:44:44 PM PST by karnage
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To: Jean2
Well the Catholics are about to get a well-deserved rude awakening. If a majority of them were stupid enough to vote for him agian; they deserve whatever they get.

We will see just how many of the 25% of the population will support the church. I say basically nobody. Again, these commies have won - by hook & by crook. They own the schools, the media and will continue to infect the sheeple with their agenda. They will now fill the SCOTUS with their types.

43 posted on 11/08/2012 1:49:24 PM PST by Digger
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To: onyx
Since the Bishops haven't done what they should have for so long, this how it should be. It's good that King Barry will be making Catholics out as "enemies of the people" so that the Cafeteria Catholics and CINOs cease to even pretend they're Catholic. Then that sort of folks won't be there to start their games all over again when His Church is victorious. It'll also bring a lot of anti-Catholics out of the woodwork and show that in spite of what they claim to believe they don't have any problem cooperating with Barry if he's attacking the Catholic Church.

It's like Gideon (I think it was) when the Lord kept reducing the number of troops to the point that no one be able to pretend the victory is due to anything except intervention by God.

44 posted on 11/08/2012 2:22:29 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Graing

They are the ONLY reason we have a second King Barry term. They run around beating their chests like gorillas to show how tough they are but when push comes to shove care more about their own pride than the country.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 2:26:37 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Graing
The USCCB has been very vocal, and surprisingly united over the HHS mandate. Even the liberal bishops saw the light and every single bishop came out loudly against the mandate.,

As a Catholic I have to say I think you are wrong here, or at least are misinterpreting what the facts imply. Yes, bishops have fairly roundly condemned the mandate, but we have to ask why. They are perfectly comfortable when the parishioner is forced to pay for immoral things, and they usually support the party and politicians who do just that. What changed here was not the morality, but who got the bill. This mandate required that the bishops themselves pay for these things, and they resent that, not what is being payed for. They talk about doctrine only because it is a convenient way to get the faithful to side with them.

We as Catholics in the pews have to wise up and stop trusting people with fancy clothes. Most priests and bishops have no concern for the Gospel or morality at all. Bishops are CEOs and politicians for whom Christ is usually nothing more than a marketing tool serving to increase profit margins. In the American Church at least, sadly, our Lord has become nothing more than Ronald McDonald. I wouldn't trust these sacrilegious vipers who can't be bothered to protect the liturgy or treasury of faith under their care and only take action when something affects their earthly riches. It is time to be wise as serpents.

46 posted on 11/08/2012 2:31:13 PM PST by cothrige
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To: Graing

Thank you for this post.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 2:48:06 PM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: cothrige; NYer
I think you are being overly cynical here. I have had the privilege to have an audience with some great priests and a certain current archbishop in small group settings and they were just as strong when speaking about the election, the HHS mandate, etc. as they have been during thier homilies.

This may be anecdotal, and perhaps I am blessed to have had contact with some excellent orthodox priests and bishops, but I refuse the cynical viewpoint that you are submitting. If this is truly your experience, I would take a look around at other parishes because there are some great orthodox priests and bishops out there now. This smoke that entered the sanctuary (or as it were, the seminaries) after Vatican II was misinterpreted and abused by liberals within the power structure is lifting and some truly faithful, strong and orthodox men are coming forward.
48 posted on 11/08/2012 2:49:06 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: cothrige

I think this is a very broad-brushed view of the situation.

Especially the indictment in your last paragraph.

I would rather take a more optimistic view of all that is happening. We are being sifted like wheat, that is sure, and when that happens, good things can rise up as a result. We need to be encouraged...and encouraging...if we want to contribute our share of building up the church.

I don’t think harsh and pessimistic attitudes are helpful.

Nor do I think it is helpful to paint such a picture: “fancy clothes”; “no concern for the gospel or morality at all”; “serving to increase profit margins”; “sacrilegious vipers” (!!!).

Philippians 4:1-8


49 posted on 11/08/2012 3:04:24 PM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Graing

I, too, have had the privilege of knowing great priests, and a great archbishop. I’m grateful for that. My own pastor is a treasure.

And there is the good Cardinal DiNardi, good Archbishop William Lori, good Archbishop Charles Chaput......


50 posted on 11/08/2012 3:11:38 PM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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