Posted on 11/08/2012 6:48:56 AM PST by marshmallow
Early figures show that 50% of Catholics chose Obama and 48% opted for Romney. The Catholic hierarchy’s hopes of a Republican victory were dashed
After an election which saw Catholic voters take sides like never before, American bishops are finding themselves having to deal with Barack Obama’s re-election to the White House. According to the bishops of Pennsylvania, one of the key U.S. states that had been split between the two parties but then won over by the Democratic candidate, Obama would lead the United States to “los[e] its soul by little steps.” In recent weeks, many representatives of the Catholic hierarchy have expressed their preference, for Mitt Romney, albeit discreetly in many cases, in letters, homilies and online messages.
Early poll figures, however, showed that in the past, U.S. Catholics listened to their bishops but then tended to follow their own conscience when voting: the majority sided with Obama although the majority was lower than four years ago. In fact, by nature of their choices, Catholics are the group that is most representative of the positions of everyone in the U.S.: just like the average American, 50% of Catholics voted for Obama and 48% for Romney.
Naturally, from a voting point of view, this fact should be read in light of one determining factor: religious practice. Catholics and Protestants who go to church every week chose Romney over Obama with a difference of 20%, whereas the Democratic candidate was 25% ahead in terms of the votes gained from individuals who practiced their faith less regularly.
The “defeat” was made all the more bitter for the Church, by the success, in many States, of the referendum on issues such as same-sex marriage, the death penalty and the use of marijuana. These are all issues which Catholics are deeply.....
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First, it isn’t my belief that the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council “opened the door” to heresy. My parents, may God grant them eternal rest, were material heretics, plain and simple. Why? They grew up in the 1920s and 1930s - some distance yet away from Vatican II. Their catechesis was atrocious. They were the children of poor Italian immigrants and the damned Irish who controlled their parishes didn’t think enough of them to instruct them in the faith properly. I guess the damned Irish thought they were too stupid to handle it.
When the 1950s (we’re STILL not to VII), they began to hear the itchy ears nonsense of all the new theologians. They began to hear about the Pill and how it would make life better, and how the Church would finally accommodate itself to modernity. But they didn't have the knowledge, the formation, to tell the wheat from the chaff, the possible from the impossible. To her dying day, my mother never understood the difference between dogma, doctrine and discipline. "If the Church can make it so we can eat meat on Fridays, she can change her view on birth control," she used to say. By the time VII rolled around, they were already poorly-formed, but quite well-formed in their poor formation.
By the time of VII, my parents were already approaching middle age. The seeds of heresy and dissent had been planted long before VII, and VII didn’t cause the sprouting of same. It was used, illicitly, by some to further their dirty work, but blaming it on VII is incorrect and slanderous.
Second, it’s great that you’re so involved. That doesn’t mean that we can go without the leadership of the bishops. We need good bishops. The laity can’t take the place of good bishops. Regrettably, we have few good bishops. We suffer as a result.
As for entering the diaconate, I wish you well with that. I’ve given it a little thought myself over the years. Some folks have even suggested that I pursue such a path. But I realized that to become a deacon, I would have to vow personal obedience to my local bishop. In that I have little respect for most of these men, save for their basic humanity and the majesty of their offices, I’d be loathe to make such a vow. I know that with someone like me, who can be a little outspoken, nearly any bishop would abuse that vow to silence me.
In terms of my own domestic church, I take my role seriously and have tried my best. We homeschooled our two sons through eighth grade, and took some care for their religious formation. The older guy is off at college this year, the younger guy is a junior at a local Catholic high school. So far, so good. Got my fingers crossed, sayin’ my rosaries. They know and love God and do their best to be disciples of Jesus. That’s all I could ask for. I’ve received far more - they are obedient, intelligent, diligent, extremely hardworking, academically highly successful, courteous, well-mannered, articulate, and just a whole lotta fun.
My wife and I personally believe that our first and primary vocations in life have been as husband and wife, father and mother. Into this we have poured our hearts and souls as our way of giving due worship and adoration to God. If we have succeeded to any degree, it is solely by the grace of God, and it is the best thing that we could have done for the Church and for the world.
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Modernism, called the synthesis of all heresies by Pope Pius X, has been around since the early 19th century. It was declared a heresy in 1907 by Pope Puis X required all clergy swear an oath against modernism. That did not mean that modernism was dead any more than the Nicean Council killed Arianism. In the aftermath of Vatican II the oath was rescinded and modernism reemerged from the shadows, Today it pervades every aspect of Catholicism. It is still as destructive and heretical as it every was,
Yes they can. You don't know this, but I frequently follow your posts on these forums and I generally have much respect for what you post. You tend to be more open and honest than many and I respect that.
While that's a very good summarization of the issue, the sad reality is the Catholic Church is far from alone in suffering that problem.
“If it weren’t for the abortion provision they may have backed Obamacare 100%.”
They came out en masse not because of abortion itself, but because THEY were going to be paying for them as well. There was no united front until then; they seemed quite content to let us pay for them, though...
True conservative would never surrender Our Mother Church to liberal modernists. So stop writing rubbish and join traditional Catholics in their crusade against both, internal and external enemies of the church.
Nitpicky here, but I'm not Anglo. While there are some Anglo Catholics, a large number of white Catholics are not Anglo as their roots aren't from England of Anglia. Irish, Italians, and Poles are definitely not Anglo.
you do yourself or your cause no favors with responses such as yours.
There is enough much nicer and far better Catholics who care in FR to take as an example to follow. Perhaps I was too harsh, however I don’t believe that few words of some guy from other side of the globe could prevent you from taking the side of Our Lord.
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