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The Religious Right is Dead
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11/7/12 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:12 AM PST by marshmallow

Guys – have a quick puff of your joint before heading down the aisle with your boyfriend. In addition to re-electing Obama, various American states voted to legalise dope and gay marriage. OK, so they weren't necessarily the same states, but you get the picture. Last night was a victory for secular liberal America – or, to put it another way, America's emerging secular liberal majority. The United States is still pious by European standards, but the gap is narrowing every year.

You cannot visit American bookshops without being struck by the popularity of atheist cheerleaders or agnostic self-help gurus; when I meet a young New Yorker or Californian I assume – as I would in Britain – that they don't go to church, have liberal positions on abortion and homosexuality and generally despise the conservative religious activism that, until so recently, had the power to elect presidents.

Two points worth noting about this election. First, the Religious Right – and how dated that phrase already sounds – united around a candidate who, by most standards, is not even a Christian.

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1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:15 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I agree completely. The party that booed God at its convention has just won a second term. We can’t deny it any further. We live in a post-Christian society.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:32 AM PST by Shadowfax
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To: Shadowfax

No. We are no longer in a society that thinks religion belongs in politics and the government. There’s a difference, as troubling as that might be to some.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:16 AM PST by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Shadowfax

Candidates that tried to put rape in some sort of divine context lost.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:25 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Shadowfax

Look for the Catholic Church now to have its Emily Litella moment and go crawling back into the shadows in meek acceptance of the mandate. They will acquiesce to indirect funding of abortions, just as they have in Europe for over three decades.

Not once did I hear from any Catholic pulpit the appeal that it was our moral duty to vote against Obama. The “voter guides” we got on Sunday before the election were a muddy, muddled mess. Abortion, “social justice”, “immigration reform”...could not make heads or tails out of it.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:49 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow
First, the Religious Right – and how dated that phrase already sounds – united around a candidate who, by most standards, is not even a Christian.

I don't think it's been determined that even that happened.

6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:18:18 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: marshmallow

I believe we’re in the end times. Jesus Christ, come back soon! The good news for his believers is in the end, we win!


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:20:28 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Shadowfax

Europe is just beginning to reap the joyful benefits of its deliberate detachment from God and Judeo-Christian principles.

When the collapse occurs, which will most likely occur within the next four years, and leads us into a global depression that makes the 1930’s look like the Roarin’ Twenties and eventually plunges us into another world war,

THEY and WE will go running back to God like children who were lost in a crowd when they finally find their father.

Don’t forget, we can still AFFORD to be prideful, atheistic humanists. Very soon, we will not be able to afford that luxury. And then all we will have left is the consent from government to behave as decadently as we want.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:54 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

When the church becomes a social club and stops standing for anything, what do you expect? I drive by the smae church everyday with a rainbow flag outside that says: “God is still speaking.” I agree, but somehow I am hearing somethign different then they are. There will be a reckoning in the church, we have been lazy for too long.

This election is disapointing, but I also find myself inspired and more committed than ever to do the right thing, cling to Biblical principles, and keep the true Gospel within my heart and mind. I will choose candidates that have my values, win or lose.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:24:58 AM PST by CityCenter (Presidential terms are 4 years, eternity is forever.)
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To: All

No ad about the democrats booing God at their convention
No ad about Obama denying protection to babies that survive abortion attempt
No ad showing Obama supporting homosexual marriage which even in liberal Maryland was rejected by nearly 50% of the state.

Just total focus on jobs and spending...and what did it get us? Less votes than McCain got.

So now the answer is to further diminish the demoralize the base by reaching out to illegals, homosexuals, and drug advocates? LOL

Good luck with that.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:23 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: ScottfromNJ
I believe we’re in the end times. Jesus Christ, come back soon! The good news for his believers is in the end, we win!

And I believe that the many folks in the GOP who believe in nonsense like this has turned away a great many rational conservatives over the last 20 years. We've been "in the end times" since the dawn of time. Get over it and focus on reality and maybe we'll move forward as a conservative movement.
11 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: marshmallow

God sees all and still reigns supreme. When the eternal Book is opened will your name be written in it for believing and standing on His Word no matter the opposition? This world is not our eternal home but people voted for either ungodliness or righteousness.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 6:37:51 AM PST by tflabo
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To: gotribe

Exactly. The problem is that extreme social conservatives dominate the GOP primary process, but are badly outnumbered in general elections.

Even those who self-identify as judeo-christian (e.g. cultural catholics, jews) are scared of social conservatives. Akin and others were just useful idiots used to reinforce these fears.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:39 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: marshmallow
You cannot visit American bookshops

True. This is because they've pretty much all gone out of business.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:53:18 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: icwhatudo

No ad about ...
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As Dennis Prager says, there are two parties - the Dangerous Party and the Stupid Party.

We sat watching the ‘Pubbie’s Colorado campaign ads in disbelief...


15 posted on 11/07/2012 6:57:25 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: whattajoke

“And I believe that the many folks in the GOP who believe in nonsense like this has turned away a great many rational conservatives over the last 20 years.”

Like who?


16 posted on 11/07/2012 6:57:52 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: whattajoke
rational conservatives

Name three that won the GOP Primary for President since 1980.

Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, and Romney are not true conservatives.

17 posted on 11/07/2012 7:03:41 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Don’t forget, we can still AFFORD to be prideful, atheistic humanists. Very soon, we will not be able to afford that luxury.

I agree, so true...

18 posted on 11/07/2012 7:26:16 AM PST by RedMonqey (America: It was a good run. Last conservative, Please turn off the lights...)
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To: ScottfromNJ
Jesus Christ, come back soon!

Don't hold your breath.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 7:30:34 AM PST by stboz
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To: Shadowfax

If the so called “Religion Cons” could not bother to show up in 2008 or 2012 - you know what?

F THEM ALL.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 7:40:46 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: ScottfromNJ

It’s the reason why states like California are no longer contested on the national level.

Until the GOP can put California back in play again, the national elections are going to get worse and worse as large states like Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina start to turn solid blue.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 7:42:35 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: CityCenter

“This election is disappointing but I also find myself inspired and more committed than ever to do the right thing, cling to Biblical principles, and keep the true Gospel within my heart and mind. I will choose candidates that have my values, win or lose.”

Thank you for this thought. I will share this this with few of my friends.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 7:46:23 AM PST by Vortech
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To: GlockThe Vote

The “religious cons” are the most conservative voting block in America, and they are the people you rage against because they can’t do it all themselves, and in the face of constant snubbing by the GOP?


23 posted on 11/07/2012 9:24:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: bmwcyle
rational conservatives
Name three that won the GOP Primary for President since 1980.
Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, and Romney are not true conservatives.

If you go with the theory that the GOP [national] (1) has an elitists leadership, and (2) is far more corrupt/complacent/complicit with the various improprieties around, then it clarifies things a lot.

It's not cheerful, but that's the second simplest explanation as to why the GOP doesn't have conservatives winning their primary.
(The dead simplest is that the voting-base in the primaries isn't conservative.)

24 posted on 11/07/2012 9:31:02 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marshmallow
various American states voted to legalise dope [...] Last night was a victory for secular liberal America

What's exclusively secular (or liberal) about legal marijuana?

25 posted on 11/07/2012 9:38:30 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12

If they are not voting in elections to oust communists unless their 10/10 dreamboat is on the tivket then they are not “voters” at all correct?


26 posted on 11/07/2012 10:21:17 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Stupid post, you are still attacking the most Romney voting block in America.

Generally people of your sentiments are liberals and democrat voters by a huge margin, the voting block you are attacking, never are, they are the right’s base.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 10:47:00 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12

If they never show up to vote waiting for some God Like figure then they are not “voters” at all.

These people are now irrelevent.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 10:52:07 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Shadowfax

And God hasn’t voted yet. He will, have no doubt.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 10:53:33 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: icwhatudo

you forgot to omention that the population increased. Percentages might be better?


30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:55:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OneWingedShark
If you go with the theory that the GOP [national] (1) has an elitists leadership

It not a theory. It is as plane as the nose on your face. The GOP is full of the children of the Global elite and so is the DEMS.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 11:04:02 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: bmwcyle
>>If you go with the theory that the GOP [national] (1) has an elitists leadership >
It not a theory. It is as plane as the nose on your face. The GOP is full of the children of the Global elite and so is the DEMS.

Yes, but that was only the first part, the second was that it "is far more corrupt/complacent/complicit with the various improprieties around".
The AND there makes a big difference in what is being stated: it's why "sweet and cold" applies to ice cream, but not frozen fish-sticks.

32 posted on 11/07/2012 11:28:29 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

LOL, the republican base that voted republican by 75% are now “irrelevant” to republicans according to you.

Who are you going to replace that voting block with, the anti-Christian vote that is currently, solidly democrat?


33 posted on 11/07/2012 11:47:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12; GlockThe Vote
What people who sat out both 2008 and 2012 claim to believe doesn't matter. They don't vote so they're not a "voting block".

They're like gorillas making loud displays to one another on the Internet to show each other how tough they are. In reality, they're so timid that being "snubbed" hurt their little feelers and frightened them into staying home in both 2008 and even more so after four years of seeing exactly what sort of damage Barry can do.

If religious conservatives cared 1/10 as much as they claim to they would have become the most powerful faction within the GOP a long time ago. They'd have all but taken it over precinct by precinct, and State by State. The fascist democrats can count on them staying home and not voting because they know this imaginary "voting block" will accept any excuse the fascist machine spreads. Look at the voting numbers, they didn't show up at the polls so for all intents and purposes they don't exist.

The nation is on fire and the religious conservatives are for the most part playing their fiddles and singing about how well they walk on water.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 11:54:53 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

They are irrelevant.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 12:10:06 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote; Rashputin

Evangelicals did show up in 2008 and 2012, and voted republican by 75%, the Catholics showed up, and voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

If, you are Jewish, or non-religious, or Catholic, or atheist, then you need to explain why your group voted democrat.

Which American voting block did more for conservatism than the Evangelicals?


36 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Rashputin
"They don't vote so they're not a "voting block"."

Leaving aside the CINO argument, the problem is that the Catholics are not a cohesive block because coinservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative. Even when they can muster an actual Conservative candidate the Republican party stands only timidly for life and the traditional family while demonizing social justice and the plight of the poor, the immigrants and various other sinners. The Democrat Party preaches social justice and anti-poverty while bathed in the blood of the unborn and benefiting from the demise of the family. Neither party offered a clear choice except between the speed with which we pursue our demise as the shining city on the hill. And both parties presented significant dilemmas to Catholic voters. We got the government we deserve, may God have mercy on us.

Peace be with you

37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:20 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
It seems to me Catholics turned out in almost the same numbers as 2008 and voted about the same way in spite of the HHS mandate. Evangelicals and others who claim to be conservative Christians didn't turn out in nearly the numbers they did in 2008.

The mythical religious right that never seems to materialize at the polls is what I don't get. Time and again some people focus on the way Catholic voters split and claim some other group never splits and are always perfect Conservatives. The fact is, though, when half of a group doesn't bother to even vote, those who sit out elections are doing even more damage than Catholics who pretty much cancel one another out except for a small percentage gain for the democrat thugs.

When it's all said and done, it seems to me that all the singling out of Catholics and others serves to keep pro-life, pro-Christian values, voters from uniting to be a force within the GOP just as much if not more than it aids the democrat fascists.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: marshmallow
My understanding is that the 'religious right' stayed away in droves yesterday.

Summer 'soldiers'

< spit >

39 posted on 11/07/2012 2:03:28 PM PST by tomkat (god punted 06Nov12)
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To: Rashputin
"When it's all said and done, it seems to me that all the singling out of Catholics and others serves to keep pro-life, pro-Christian values, voters from uniting to be a force within the GOP just as much if not more than it aids the democrat fascists."

Any collection of 64 million anything is not going to be a monolithic block, let alone Catholics. What they have done is to try to impose a Protestant value system on the Church and then bitch about the Church and Catholics not conforming to it. Catholics are Catholics first, Americans second and Republicans or Democrats a distant third. We serve our country best by serving God first and we are not beholding to any earthly power.

What to me is so disingenuous is the attempt to use bad statistical practices to paint the all Catholics as somehow culpable of the actions of those who are demonstrably not in communion with the Church. Making it even worse is the notion that a person who leaves the Church to become a member of a Protestant denomination loses their Catholic identity, but those who leave to become secular humanists do not. Those doing it are real life examples of the Pharisee and the Tax collector.

Peace be with you

40 posted on 11/07/2012 2:35:40 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: whattajoke

The big tent is larger then you think and can take in both types of conservatives


41 posted on 11/07/2012 5:38:10 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Natural Law

“...Catholics are not a cohesive block because coinservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative.”

Very interesting. I am an evangelical and have come to very similar conclusions about these two political gangs. I wish there were fewer positions staked out, and that those positions were actually held. Not going to happen though.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:21 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Turns out that White Horse was just a whitewashed jackass.)
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To: Psalm 144
"I am an evangelical and have come to very similar conclusions about these two political gangs."

True Catholics (who are also Evangelical) and Evangelicals have much more in common doctrinally and culturally than we do with the world. I think there is a political opportunity for a Christian Party, comprised of Catholics, Evangelicals, and orthodox Protestants who share the fundamental values of subsidiarity, respect for life and traditional family, non-governmental charity, honesty, integrity and truth.

I think it would be very workable. Every party is a coalition of sorts. The doctrinal differences would be far less significant that the coalition of freaks that have assembled as the Democrat Party.

43 posted on 11/07/2012 9:04:50 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: marshmallow

GM is undead, so is Al Qaeda, and the report of the Religious Right’s death was...exaggerated.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 9:08:06 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Natural Law; Rashputin; ansel12; Gamecock
....the problem is that the Catholics are not a cohesive block because conservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative. Even when they can muster an actual Conservative candidate the Republican party stands only timidly for life and the traditional family while demonizing social justice and the plight of the poor, the immigrants and various other sinners. The Democrat Party preaches social justice and anti-poverty while bathed in the blood of the unborn and benefiting from the demise of the family. Neither party offered a clear choice except between the speed with which we pursue our demise as the shining city on the hill. And both parties presented significant dilemmas to Catholic voters.

In other words, your post advocates redefining "conservatism" to include liberal ideals that this site derides. Why are you posting here? Democratic Underground awaits you!

I don't get what your complaint is. The way I look at it, over 60% of Americans voted yesterday in support of 80% of Catholic social doctrine, at least as your post defines it. For all intents and purposes, the majority of your views won last night.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: marshmallow
History is full of instances where Christianity "died" due to some ism only to have it pop up again more vibrant and alive than ever before. If I may quote Chesterton and our Lord:

"`Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.'

The civilisation of antiquity was the whole world: and men no more dreamed of its ending than of the ending of daylight. They could not imagine another order unless it were in another world. The civilisation of the world has passed away and those words have not passed away.

In the long night of the Dark Ages feudalism was so familiar a thing that no man could imagine himself without a lord: and religion was so woven into that network that no man would have believed they could be torn asunder. Feudalism itself was torn to rags and rotted away in the popular life of the true Middle Ages; and the first and freshest power in that new freedom was the old religion. Feudalism had passed away, and the words did not pass away.

The whole medieval order, in many ways so complete and almost cosmic a home for man, wore out gradually in its turn: and here at least it was thought that the words would die. They went forth across the radiant abyss of the Renaissance and in fifty years were using all its light and learning for new religious foundations, new apologetics, new saints.

It was supposed to have been withered up at last in the dry light of the Age of Reason; it was supposed to have disappeared ultimately in the earthquake of the Age of Revolution.

Science explained it away; and it was still there. History disinterred it in the past; and it appeared suddenly in the future. To-day it stands once more in our path; and even as we watch it, it grows."

46 posted on 11/07/2012 9:48:44 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Alex Murphy
"I don't get what your complaint is."<\I>

There is a lot you don't get. You also don't get to define conservative orthodoxy. In the hierarchy of Catholic values are the six non-negotables, that all lost yesterday. But Catholic social teaching also includes the eight Beatitudes, which I'm sure many "conservatives" would be surprised to learn are not welcome on Free Republic or the Religion Forum. This rejection of Catholic doctrine by both parties too often results in an unacceptable dilemma for many Catholics which results in them staying home on election day. Catholics no not owe either party their votes any more than Tea Party members do. However since a united Catholic block would dominate either party any party courting their votes would have to make some concessions. Your contempt for anything Catholic only reinforces the old saying that we get the government we deserve. That is especially true in your case.

Peace be with you.

47 posted on 11/07/2012 10:19:14 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

Wow, that was channeling Ted Kennedy and any other anti-American lefty.

No wonder Catholics embrace the left.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 10:22:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Rashputin

Evangelicals voted republican by 79%, an astounding figure.

They aren’t the problem, the left wing voters are.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 10:49:27 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Rashputin
Evangelicals and others who claim to be conservative Christians didn't turn out in nearly the numbers they did in 2008. The mythical religious right that never seems to materialize at the polls is what I don't get....when half of a group doesn't bother to even vote, those who sit out elections are doing even more damage than Catholics who pretty much cancel one another out except for a small percentage gain for the democrat thugs.

Where does this idea come from, that there is a "mythical Christian Right", out of which "half didn't bother to vote" in this election? I've heard this three or four times today.

50 posted on 11/07/2012 11:52:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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