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No "All Saints Day" without "Reformation Day" [Today is All Saints Day]
The Anglo-Reformed Movement ^ | October 20, 2010

Posted on 11/01/2012 6:45:48 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

How appropriate it is that Reformation Day (October 31st), celebrating Christ's victory over Evil for those who rest in Him, precedes All Saints Day (November 1st).

Martin Luther's defense of the authority of Scripture (alone) and of Justification by Faith (alone), at the Diet of Worms, is what we celebrate on Reformation Day. Without these biblical truths, which the Reformation re-established in opposition to evil church hierarchies, there would be no saints.

It's a shame that some Protestant and Anglican churches celebrate All Saints Day while failing to celebrate Reformation Day.

There are no saints apart from the principles of Sola Scriptura and Justification by grace alone through faith alone. What Luther insisted upon at this trial is precisely what condemned him, and that is the Gospel itself.

Continued non-adherence to these principles (outlined clearly in the 39 Articles) by Orthodox and Roman hierarchies, and yes, by hordes of neo-evangelical authorities, separates them not merely from the Reformation but from Christ. Luther's defense is as fresh today as it was then. Reformation Day is worth remembering. Here I stand.


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It's a shame that some Protestant and Anglican churches celebrate All Saints Day while failing to celebrate Reformation Day.

There are no saints apart from the principles of Sola Scriptura and Justification by grace alone through faith alone. What Luther insisted upon at this trial is precisely what condemned him, and that is the Gospel itself. Continued non-adherence to these principles (outlined clearly in the 39 Articles) by Orthodox and Roman hierarchies, and yes, by hordes of neo-evangelical authorities, separates them not merely from the Reformation but from Christ.

1 posted on 11/01/2012 6:45:51 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Where in the bible is Sola Scriptura advocated?


2 posted on 11/01/2012 6:49:16 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Alex Murphy

And where in the Bible is “faith alone” mentioned—except in James 2:24 where it says, “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”?


3 posted on 11/01/2012 6:54:15 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Alex Murphy
in opposition to evil church hierarchies......< /eyes rolling
4 posted on 11/01/2012 6:55:19 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Alex Murphy

Are you freaking kidding me? “Refomation Day” “biblical truths”

Martin Luther was possessed by the devil and his “reforms” were “deforms”. “biblical truths” my eye


5 posted on 11/01/2012 6:55:55 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Alex Murphy
This is what, article number 5 posted by you about reformation day?

It seems reformation day is here and you approve of it, but I think the point of super-saturation has been reached.

6 posted on 11/01/2012 7:00:34 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: impimp

By Christ’s example.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 7:01:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Alex Murphy

If others may post freely so may Murphy. Or me, or anyone else, thank you.


8 posted on 11/01/2012 7:08:34 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Hail Mary,
full of grace,
help my horse,
to win the race!


9 posted on 11/01/2012 7:08:57 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to make Obama a minor footnote in the pages of history)
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To: Alex Murphy

Really?


10 posted on 11/01/2012 7:09:45 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: Alex Murphy
How appropriate it is that Reformation Day (October 31st), celebrating Christ's victory over Evil for those who rest in Him,...

Hmm--I always thought it was called "Easter"

11 posted on 11/01/2012 7:10:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Alex Murphy

This is yet another example of cultish devotion to a man-made doctrine rather than loving devotion to our Lord.


12 posted on 11/01/2012 7:14:05 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: count-your-change

I prefer the objectivity of the Word of God and Scripture to the subjectivity of your statement “By Christ’s example”. Sola Scriptura goes against scripture and it is a contradiction in logic.

<< 2 Thessalonians 2:15 >>

New International Version (©1984)
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.


13 posted on 11/01/2012 7:14:33 AM PDT by impimp
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To: count-your-change

You’re welcome sonny boy.


14 posted on 11/01/2012 7:14:52 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: fidelis
“where in the Bible is “faith alone” mentioned ...”

Take a peek at Ephesians 2:8-9.

By the way, where is it mentioned that a sinner like me can buy a ticket out of Purgatory?

15 posted on 11/01/2012 7:25:48 AM PDT by shove_it ( The 0bama regime are the people Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: Alex Murphy

All Saint’s day, Nov 1, was instituted by Pope Gregory the IV in the late 9nth century. Protestantism did not and would not exist for another 6 centuries and to this day has no relevance whatsoever on this Catholic Holy Day of Observation.


16 posted on 11/01/2012 7:26:31 AM PDT by motoman
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; count-your-change
This is what, article number 5 posted by you about reformation day?...I think the point of super-saturation has been reached.

I can't wait to read your comments about the number of threads posted on December 25th!

17 posted on 11/01/2012 7:35:03 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Christmas is more important than r-day. But similarly nobody should be browsing the internet for articles about Christmas, on Christmas.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 7:37:35 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: impimp

One cannot read Paul’s letters without being aware that the teachings he was passing on “by word of mouth” were the same as what he wrote about in his letters.

What did Paul teach “by word of mouth”? We need only read what he wrote. There was but one body of “teaching” and since Paul cannot speak by word of mouth, his teachings are passed to us by letter, Scripture.

The chief reason for attempts to create a second body of teachings, Tradition, apart from Scripture, is to validate unscriptural teachings and justify it by pretending an equal or superior authority to Scripture, a practice well illustrated by the Pharisees.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 7:40:31 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Just hold your hat in hand and with eyes downcast whisper,
“By yer leave, guv’nor, may I post?”.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 7:51:38 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Paul was not simply teaching the same things by word of mouth that he wrote about in his letters. Read the Didache or other historical documents of the time. The rules around baptism, celebration of the Mass, the Church hierarchy were all discussed in detail in the first century. These details are discussed in Scripture only briefly but were very well developed outside of scripture.

Remember, Paul often focused on what was going wrong in the Christian communities he was writing. His letters did not serve as a manual for behavior - that was known by tradition and by things like the Didache.


21 posted on 11/01/2012 7:57:39 AM PDT by impimp
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To: count-your-change
By all means he can post as much as he likes. He can post 5 or 6 largely identical articles in two days.

He can also do karaoke, eat 2 gallons of ice cream in a sitting or pee without lifting the seat. He certianly can, but nobody said its a good idea or that people will thank him for it.

22 posted on 11/01/2012 8:05:17 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: impimp
<< 2 Thessalonians 2:15 >>
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Thank you for reminding me of #2 in the top ten passages Catholics butcher out of context because they dont bother to read the entire letter.

23 posted on 11/01/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: shove_it
By the way, where is it mentioned that a sinner like me can buy a ticket out of Purgatory?

First Fabrications 3:10 ...

24 posted on 11/01/2012 8:12:49 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; count-your-change
He can also do karaoke

I don't do karaoke. Ever.

eat 2 gallons of ice cream in a sitting

Kroger "Moon Pie" flavor? Where's my spoon?

or pee without lifting the seat.

c-y-c, I think we've confirmed that W-b-f-a is a female poster.

He certianly can, but nobody said its a good idea or that people will thank him for it.

And you don't have to read them or post on them, either. And yet here you are, again!

25 posted on 11/01/2012 8:14:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: impimp
The Didache is not Scripture even if it is a useful record of what some were practicing. Even in Paul's day unscriptural practices and teachings were being brought into the Christian church and he wrote to correct them while acknowledging he and other were a bulwark holding such back during their lifetimes.

Jesus had foretold the weeds springing up and Paul affirms this was occurring.

What sorts of behavior did Pauls letters overlook?

26 posted on 11/01/2012 8:15:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy; count-your-change
I'm not a female poster, but I still pee with hte seat down because I'm fearless like that (plus I've got precise aim).

In truth I I've been more than half joking this whole time, so I'm slightly suprised you guys have got your panty's in a wad. Lighten up my sons.

27 posted on 11/01/2012 8:23:39 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: count-your-change

The Eucharist was a scritural practice. It is discussed in scripture. But scripture does not describe the practice in great detail. The details were handed down by the Traditions that the Apostles wanted us to hold on to.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 8:23:54 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Evidently someone is seeking to create a Protestant Kwanzaa


29 posted on 11/01/2012 8:25:25 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Alex Murphy
Now we that have established beyond question that Murph can post (1)repeatedly (2)similar or duplicates (3)without our approval or agreement, let's lay those points to rest.

I would further submit that approval or thanks from others is not the not the necessary motive for any action.

So post away, Murph! Nothing like an occasional verbal joust to keeps the wits sharp!

30 posted on 11/01/2012 8:28:58 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

**Christmas is more important than r-day.**

??

I’m not following your train of thought here.


31 posted on 11/01/2012 8:37:08 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dartuser

“First Fabrications 3:10 ...”

LOL. Good one!


32 posted on 11/01/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by shove_it ( The 0bama regime are the people Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: Alex Murphy

so here is what you have since Luther opted out of his faith:

a lot books of the Bible thrown out “because he, Luther, didn’t like them ..sola scripture my posterior... the only scriptura was the scriptura he liked...

a bunch of homosexuals and/or females are now RUNNING the new protestant “reformation”...

Luther didn’t like the sacraments yet his reformation has raised contraception and abortion to the level of sacramentum...

he and the reformation practically invented moral relativism...

but it is all good now...

yeah right..

Lurking’


33 posted on 11/01/2012 8:45:14 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Salvation
W - **Christmas is more important than r-day.**

S - ?? I’m not following your train of thought here.

You might not be following, but it's definitely oncoming, and you're standing on the tracks.

34 posted on 11/01/2012 8:48:40 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: Salvation
"I’m not following your train of thought here"

Don't feel too badly. Only a select few can.

35 posted on 11/01/2012 8:50:12 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: impimp
But setting up a hierarchy of priests is not Scriptural and in fact counter to Scripture as the only way open for a Christian to serve as a priest/king was to be appointed to serve as such in heaven.

To say the apostles wanted certain traditions followed they said nothing about for decades after Christ's death is an assumption made to bolster the Traditions as somehow binding as Scripture.

You mention the Eucharist. Few details are given but those that are given provide enough detail to memorialize Jesus’ death, the purpose of the meal.

So where did the apostles demand certain hand movements and various pieces of special garb to be worn and just the right phrases to be spoken?

36 posted on 11/01/2012 8:54:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I am not your son, a fact that I am most grateful for since it is one of my few virtues.


37 posted on 11/01/2012 9:10:10 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Matthew 16:18-20

Jesus instituted a preistly hierarchy in His Church. He started by making Peter the earthly head of the church with the power to bind and lose. If Peter or future holders of his office choose to bind certain practices related to the celebration of the Mass then they are binding.

And it was an office He gave Peter - read the verses in Matthew then read about Shebna in Isaiah. Jesus was creating an office. On this the scripture is clear.


38 posted on 11/01/2012 9:12:05 AM PDT by impimp
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To: count-your-change

Acts 14:23

New International Version (NIV)

23 Paul and Barnabas appointed elders[a] for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.


39 posted on 11/01/2012 9:18:17 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

You make an excellent point here, impimp, as this verse is an example of the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders.


40 posted on 11/01/2012 9:26:24 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

Peters use of “keys” was an affirmation of decisions already made in heaven. Both the record in Acts and the Greek that Jesus’ words were recorded in reflect that.

The word priests is not applied to any within the Christian church while on earth. None. As heavenly rulers they are termed priests AND kings.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 9:35:31 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; count-your-change
In truth I I've been more than half joking this whole time, so I'm slightly suprised you guys have got your panty's in a wad. Lighten up my sons.

Are you kidding? I've been laughing the whole time!

42 posted on 11/01/2012 9:40:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: impimp
You make an excellent point here, impimp, as this verse is an example of the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders.

Talking to yourself?

43 posted on 11/01/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: impimp
To: impimp You make an excellent point here, impimp, as this verse is an example of the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders. 40 posted on Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:26:24 AM by impimp [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies | Report Abuse] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Onanistic posting. Good job.

44 posted on 11/01/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by xone
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To: impimp

II Timothy

2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Tradition can be refuted by DOCTRINE.


45 posted on 11/01/2012 9:44:05 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: count-your-change

Acts 14:23

How do you account for that?


46 posted on 11/01/2012 9:51:39 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

***He started by making Peter the earthly head of the church with the power to bind and lose.****

GALATIANS 2:

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?


47 posted on 11/01/2012 9:53:50 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Tradition can be DOGMA and DOGMA is more important than DOCTRINE.

Your uppercasing has been countered by my uppercasing.


48 posted on 11/01/2012 9:55:00 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

What is it there that you’re asking an accounting for?


49 posted on 11/01/2012 9:57:16 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And Peter did rule on circumcision and his ruling was final.

Acts 15:7-11
New International Version (NIV)
7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”


50 posted on 11/01/2012 9:58:58 AM PDT by impimp
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