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Posted on 11/01/2012 6:45:48 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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Paul was not simply teaching the same things by word of mouth that he wrote about in his letters. Read the Didache or other historical documents of the time. The rules around baptism, celebration of the Mass, the Church hierarchy were all discussed in detail in the first century. These details are discussed in Scripture only briefly but were very well developed outside of scripture.
Remember, Paul often focused on what was going wrong in the Christian communities he was writing. His letters did not serve as a manual for behavior - that was known by tradition and by things like the Didache.
He can also do karaoke, eat 2 gallons of ice cream in a sitting or pee without lifting the seat. He certianly can, but nobody said its a good idea or that people will thank him for it.
Thank you for reminding me of #2 in the top ten passages Catholics butcher out of context because they dont bother to read the entire letter.
First Fabrications 3:10 ...
I don't do karaoke. Ever.
eat 2 gallons of ice cream in a sitting
Kroger "Moon Pie" flavor? Where's my spoon?
or pee without lifting the seat.
c-y-c, I think we've confirmed that W-b-f-a is a female poster.
He certianly can, but nobody said its a good idea or that people will thank him for it.
And you don't have to read them or post on them, either. And yet here you are, again!
Jesus had foretold the weeds springing up and Paul affirms this was occurring.
What sorts of behavior did Pauls letters overlook?
In truth I I've been more than half joking this whole time, so I'm slightly suprised you guys have got your panty's in a wad. Lighten up my sons.
The Eucharist was a scritural practice. It is discussed in scripture. But scripture does not describe the practice in great detail. The details were handed down by the Traditions that the Apostles wanted us to hold on to.
Evidently someone is seeking to create a Protestant Kwanzaa
I would further submit that approval or thanks from others is not the not the necessary motive for any action.
So post away, Murph! Nothing like an occasional verbal joust to keeps the wits sharp!
**Christmas is more important than r-day.**
I’m not following your train of thought here.
“First Fabrications 3:10 ...”
LOL. Good one!
so here is what you have since Luther opted out of his faith:
a lot books of the Bible thrown out “because he, Luther, didn’t like them ..sola scripture my posterior... the only scriptura was the scriptura he liked...
a bunch of homosexuals and/or females are now RUNNING the new protestant “reformation”...
Luther didn’t like the sacraments yet his reformation has raised contraception and abortion to the level of sacramentum...
he and the reformation practically invented moral relativism...
but it is all good now...
S - ?? Im not following your train of thought here.
You might not be following, but it's definitely oncoming, and you're standing on the tracks.
Don't feel too badly. Only a select few can.
To say the apostles wanted certain traditions followed they said nothing about for decades after Christ's death is an assumption made to bolster the Traditions as somehow binding as Scripture.
You mention the Eucharist. Few details are given but those that are given provide enough detail to memorialize Jesus’ death, the purpose of the meal.
So where did the apostles demand certain hand movements and various pieces of special garb to be worn and just the right phrases to be spoken?
I am not your son, a fact that I am most grateful for since it is one of my few virtues.
Jesus instituted a preistly hierarchy in His Church. He started by making Peter the earthly head of the church with the power to bind and lose. If Peter or future holders of his office choose to bind certain practices related to the celebration of the Mass then they are binding.
And it was an office He gave Peter - read the verses in Matthew then read about Shebna in Isaiah. Jesus was creating an office. On this the scripture is clear.
New International Version (NIV)
23 Paul and Barnabas appointed elders[a] for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.
You make an excellent point here, impimp, as this verse is an example of the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders.
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