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No "All Saints Day" without "Reformation Day" [Today is All Saints Day]
The Anglo-Reformed Movement ^ | October 20, 2010

Posted on 11/01/2012 6:45:48 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: count-your-change

Paul was not simply teaching the same things by word of mouth that he wrote about in his letters. Read the Didache or other historical documents of the time. The rules around baptism, celebration of the Mass, the Church hierarchy were all discussed in detail in the first century. These details are discussed in Scripture only briefly but were very well developed outside of scripture.

Remember, Paul often focused on what was going wrong in the Christian communities he was writing. His letters did not serve as a manual for behavior - that was known by tradition and by things like the Didache.


21 posted on 11/01/2012 7:57:39 AM PDT by impimp
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To: count-your-change
By all means he can post as much as he likes. He can post 5 or 6 largely identical articles in two days.

He can also do karaoke, eat 2 gallons of ice cream in a sitting or pee without lifting the seat. He certianly can, but nobody said its a good idea or that people will thank him for it.

22 posted on 11/01/2012 8:05:17 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: impimp
<< 2 Thessalonians 2:15 >>
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Thank you for reminding me of #2 in the top ten passages Catholics butcher out of context because they dont bother to read the entire letter.

23 posted on 11/01/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: shove_it
By the way, where is it mentioned that a sinner like me can buy a ticket out of Purgatory?

First Fabrications 3:10 ...

24 posted on 11/01/2012 8:12:49 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; count-your-change
He can also do karaoke

I don't do karaoke. Ever.

eat 2 gallons of ice cream in a sitting

Kroger "Moon Pie" flavor? Where's my spoon?

or pee without lifting the seat.

c-y-c, I think we've confirmed that W-b-f-a is a female poster.

He certianly can, but nobody said its a good idea or that people will thank him for it.

And you don't have to read them or post on them, either. And yet here you are, again!

25 posted on 11/01/2012 8:14:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: impimp
The Didache is not Scripture even if it is a useful record of what some were practicing. Even in Paul's day unscriptural practices and teachings were being brought into the Christian church and he wrote to correct them while acknowledging he and other were a bulwark holding such back during their lifetimes.

Jesus had foretold the weeds springing up and Paul affirms this was occurring.

What sorts of behavior did Pauls letters overlook?

26 posted on 11/01/2012 8:15:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy; count-your-change
I'm not a female poster, but I still pee with hte seat down because I'm fearless like that (plus I've got precise aim).

In truth I I've been more than half joking this whole time, so I'm slightly suprised you guys have got your panty's in a wad. Lighten up my sons.

27 posted on 11/01/2012 8:23:39 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: count-your-change

The Eucharist was a scritural practice. It is discussed in scripture. But scripture does not describe the practice in great detail. The details were handed down by the Traditions that the Apostles wanted us to hold on to.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 8:23:54 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Evidently someone is seeking to create a Protestant Kwanzaa


29 posted on 11/01/2012 8:25:25 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Alex Murphy
Now we that have established beyond question that Murph can post (1)repeatedly (2)similar or duplicates (3)without our approval or agreement, let's lay those points to rest.

I would further submit that approval or thanks from others is not the not the necessary motive for any action.

So post away, Murph! Nothing like an occasional verbal joust to keeps the wits sharp!

30 posted on 11/01/2012 8:28:58 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

**Christmas is more important than r-day.**

??

I’m not following your train of thought here.


31 posted on 11/01/2012 8:37:08 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dartuser

“First Fabrications 3:10 ...”

LOL. Good one!


32 posted on 11/01/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by shove_it ( The 0bama regime are the people Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: Alex Murphy

so here is what you have since Luther opted out of his faith:

a lot books of the Bible thrown out “because he, Luther, didn’t like them ..sola scripture my posterior... the only scriptura was the scriptura he liked...

a bunch of homosexuals and/or females are now RUNNING the new protestant “reformation”...

Luther didn’t like the sacraments yet his reformation has raised contraception and abortion to the level of sacramentum...

he and the reformation practically invented moral relativism...

but it is all good now...

yeah right..

Lurking’


33 posted on 11/01/2012 8:45:14 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Salvation
W - **Christmas is more important than r-day.**

S - ?? I’m not following your train of thought here.

You might not be following, but it's definitely oncoming, and you're standing on the tracks.

34 posted on 11/01/2012 8:48:40 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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To: Salvation
"I’m not following your train of thought here"

Don't feel too badly. Only a select few can.

35 posted on 11/01/2012 8:50:12 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: impimp
But setting up a hierarchy of priests is not Scriptural and in fact counter to Scripture as the only way open for a Christian to serve as a priest/king was to be appointed to serve as such in heaven.

To say the apostles wanted certain traditions followed they said nothing about for decades after Christ's death is an assumption made to bolster the Traditions as somehow binding as Scripture.

You mention the Eucharist. Few details are given but those that are given provide enough detail to memorialize Jesus’ death, the purpose of the meal.

So where did the apostles demand certain hand movements and various pieces of special garb to be worn and just the right phrases to be spoken?

36 posted on 11/01/2012 8:54:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I am not your son, a fact that I am most grateful for since it is one of my few virtues.


37 posted on 11/01/2012 9:10:10 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Matthew 16:18-20

Jesus instituted a preistly hierarchy in His Church. He started by making Peter the earthly head of the church with the power to bind and lose. If Peter or future holders of his office choose to bind certain practices related to the celebration of the Mass then they are binding.

And it was an office He gave Peter - read the verses in Matthew then read about Shebna in Isaiah. Jesus was creating an office. On this the scripture is clear.


38 posted on 11/01/2012 9:12:05 AM PDT by impimp
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To: count-your-change

Acts 14:23

New International Version (NIV)

23 Paul and Barnabas appointed elders[a] for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.


39 posted on 11/01/2012 9:18:17 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

You make an excellent point here, impimp, as this verse is an example of the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders.


40 posted on 11/01/2012 9:26:24 AM PDT by impimp
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