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The conversation...is about immigration and church officials' views that politicians should adopt a more tolerant view of the presence of immigrants.

The softer stance stems from a growing number of undocumented immigrants converting to Mormonism — an estimated 70 percent of Latino Mormons are undocumented. In the Catholic Church, where membership is steadily declining, immigrants are offsetting those losses.

A 2012 poll by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research organization, revealed that 69 percent of foreign-born Latinos identify themselves as Catholic. To maintain membership, religious leaders must tread lightly near these issues....

....Despite the bishops' consternation over birth control mandates, 82 percent of Catholics believe that birth control is morally acceptable, compared to 90 percent of non-Catholics, according to a Gallup poll conducted in May.

1 posted on 09/13/2012 8:28:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Easy! Anybody who is anti-abortion must vote against pro-abortion candidates, regardless of their stance on immigration. Laws regarding immigration can be changed. Abortion cannot be done over. Once the child is aborted, that is the end of the story. An immigrant denied legal entry can wait and try another day.

The voter can try to change the mind of a pro-life, anti immigration elected official. There is no second look for the anti-life, pro immigration official. The child is dead.

Easy choice for a thinking Catholic.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 8:35:53 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Why does the article assume that a no holds barred Democratic approach to immigration is the only humane one. Encouraging people to risk their lives to immigrate illegally is not humane.


3 posted on 09/13/2012 8:35:59 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Alex Murphy

I would have little problem with amnesty if the Government would guarantee that no immigrants would be allowed in illegally. I mean stop them. Relatives in Mexico who wnat to come should stay in Mexico unless they come with a legal Visa and then go home.

I would have no trouble with paying more taxes if those taxes went to paying the debt and not to growing Government.

But we all know neither is going to happen.


5 posted on 09/13/2012 8:47:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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The article prejudices the reader, at the very beginning by telling us that "Edilia Gonzales attends Mass every Sunday....She believes that life is sacred, including the life of a child still developing in the womb. And she believes that undocumented immigrants who've made their way to the United States should be treated humanely and with dignity." It prejudices the reader because statistically speaking, being a weekly Mass attending Catholic should put her in the "more conservative" column i.e. voting Republican, not Democrat.

But on the last page of the article we learn "She participates in Mass — but doesn't receive communion because, her politics, according to the church, make her a sinner. And until she "repents," she isn't suppose to partake in that Catholic ritual." The article doesn't say whether she's being denied the Eucharist, or merely staying away from it herself. Either way, I have to wonder if "weekly Mass attending" counts towards conservative leanings if the attendee doesn't receive communion.

8 posted on 09/13/2012 8:54:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I am Catholic. I wrote to my bishop telling them that if I find out they are harboring illegal aliens in their rectories, etc., on the dime of parishioners, I will report them to ICE. I dared him to excommunicate me.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 9:01:02 AM PDT by RochesterNYconservative (ROMNEY/RYAN 20121)
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To: Alex Murphy

On the one hand you have a potential policy to limit mobility
On the other hand you have a potential policy to limit infanticide
Tell me again about this conundrum you’re dealing with


11 posted on 09/13/2012 9:02:59 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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So, if a large group of lawbreakers joins your sect, it’s OK and you not only advocate decriminalizing their behavior but want more of them, and being forced into nationalized healthcare is OK too, so long as your sect isn’t subjected to it?

Can they not see the moral rot in this? Apparently not.


14 posted on 09/13/2012 9:12:14 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Alex Murphy

My close relative attends church several times a week, volunteers, donates more than most. The illegals’ plight have her voting for Obama.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 9:13:29 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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“What’s an Anti-Abortion, Pro-Immigrant Voter to Do?”

Kind of like when you don’t like the weather in Chicago, wait a few minutes, and Romney will probably change his position to one that suits you.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 9:17:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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The Church’s stand on illegals is incredibly self-serving. Just meant to increase the number of Catholics in the country, the Church’s influence, and the cash flow into the collection baskets.

(of course, since Benedict started taking the Liturgy back to the 1950’s, Latin America has been going Evangelical at a dizzying pace. So the joke may be on them)


19 posted on 09/13/2012 9:43:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy

John Chrysostom (347-407)

Why sow where the ground makes it its care to destroy the fruit? where there are many efforts at abortion? where there is murder before the birth? for even the harlot thou dost not let continue a mere harlot, but makest her a murderer also. You see how drunkenness leads to whoredom, whoredom to adultery, adultery to murder; or rather something even worse than murder. For I have no name to give it, since it does not take off the thing born, but prevents its being born. Why then dost thou abuse the gift of God, and fight with His laws, and follow after what is a curse as if a blessing, and make the chamber of procreation a chamber for murder, and arm the woman that was given for childbearing unto slaughter? For with a view to drawing more money by being agreeable and an object of longing to her lovers, even this she is not backward to do, so heaping upon thy head a great pile of fire. For even if the daring deed be hers, yet the causing of it is thine. Hence too come idolatries, since many, with a view to become acceptable, devise incantations, and libations, and love potions, and countless other plans. Yet still after such great unseemliness, after slaughters, after idolatries, the thing [fornication] seems to belong to things indifferent, aye, and to many that have wives, too.

-Homily 24 on Romans


31 posted on 09/13/2012 11:22:29 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Of probable interest.
42 posted on 09/13/2012 1:52:41 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Hopefully stay home.

If Catholics and Jews in America are still going to vote for Obama then they are delusional and, frankly, stupid.

So when the SHTF, don’t come knocking on my door for help when the hoards come for you morons.


46 posted on 09/13/2012 2:57:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: ansel12; JCBreckenridge

I’m sorry you both find the truth so disturbing. Very well I will leave you both to cling to your emotion based bubble worlds.


65 posted on 09/13/2012 8:56:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ansel12

I’m sorry but your screaming your emotion based opinion louder doesn’t change your fictional world view to fact.


68 posted on 09/13/2012 9:15:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ansel12

I’m sorry your feelings are hurt but as I pointed out to you. Just screaming a emotion based rant over and over doesn’t change the inconvenient facts. I am sorry you find it so utterly impossible to cope with basic truth.


71 posted on 09/13/2012 9:23:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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