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To: fwdude

Jesus knew when He called Judas that Judas would betray Him. Jesus knew this before He formed Judas in Judas’ mother’s womb.

I’m just going by what the Bible says, what God tell us. Judas was not saved. Yes, Jesus chose him and Judas also made his choice—that does not mean Judas was ever saved.


27 posted on 09/09/2012 3:38:40 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: WXRGina

Tricky one, Judas being saved or not.

Not only did Jesus predict that betrayal (without naming the turncoat), He also predicted being denied by Peter.

Judas didn’t protest Jesus’ prediction but he wasn’t deterred by Jesus effectively saying “I know you’re going to do this”.

Jesus knew Judas would be the betrayer and protected his identity to ensure Judas didn’t get set upon by the other disciples.

I struggle to make sense of the argument that Judas wasn’t saved, to be honest. He knew it was going to happen AND he knew Jesus knew. But he still went ahead with it.

Why? For a few bits of silver?!

Who in their right mind would betray the son of God and send himself to the lake of fire having already been told by Jesus “I know what you’re going to do” and later being stricken down by his own conscience?

I mean, COME ON!

Judas’ betrayal has “not only was this all part of the plan, he was in on it from the start” written all over it.

As we know Jesus’ resolve waivered but he played his part, is it not possible Judas reluctantly played his part but couldn’t handle the guilt?


43 posted on 09/09/2012 4:04:44 PM PDT by MalPearce
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