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Guidelines on Hatred and the Religion Forum
Religion Moderator | June 22, 2012 | Religion Moderator

Posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:35 AM PDT by Religion Moderator

It is within the bounds of “open” Religion Forum town square style debate for a Freeper to express his hatred of a belief. But such posts are never allowed on RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”

It is never within the bounds on the Religion Forum for a Freeper to express his hatred of people who hold a particular belief when any Freeper is part of the belief group.

For example:

It is ok to express hatred towards MormonISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Mormons because some Freepers are Mormon.

It is ok to express hatred towards CatholicISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Catholics because some Freepers are Catholic.

It is ok to express hatred towards ProtestantISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Protestants because some Freepers are Protestant.

It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.

Some political posters are now venturing onto the Religion Forum probably because Romney’s beliefs are at issue in this election.

If you don’t know whether you are on the Religion Forum, look at the top of your internet browser window. If the current address (URL) begins with http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/ then you are on the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

Finally, whereas posters may argue vigorously for and against beliefs on “open” Religion Forum threads it is never tolerable to use ad hominems in religious debate because they invariably lead to flame wars when the subject is one’s deeply held religious beliefs.

For something to be "making it personal" it must be speaking to another Freeper, personally.

"Protestants are heretics" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal. "Catholics worship Mary" is not making it personal. "You worship Mary" is making it personal. "Mormons worship many gods" is not making it personal. "You worship many gods" is making it personal.

However, when a poster paints with a brush that accuses an entire religion of criminal behavior - his post will be pulled as flame bait. For example, posts that say "Protestants kill babies" or "Catholics molest children" or "Mormons kill non-Mormons" will be pulled. However, if the post is specific about a non-Freeper, I will not pull it. For example "Rev. Doe says abortion and infanticide are not sin" or "Father Doe was convicted for molesting those kids" or "Mormons killed non-Mormons at Mountain Meadows" would not be pulled.

Statements formed as questions are rarely "making it personal."

"Are you a heretic" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal.

Forms of "making it personal" include mind reading, attributing motive, accusing another Freeper of telling a lie (because it attributes motive, the intent to deceive) - making the thread "about" individual Freeper(s), following a Freeper from thread to thread and badgering a Freeper over-and-again with the same question.

When in doubt, avoid the use of the pronoun "you" and Freeper's names - or put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

Despite all these efforts to eliminate ad hominems, there is nothing I can do to keep you from "taking it personally."

If you keep getting your feelings hurt because other posters ridicule or disapprove or hate what you hold dear, then you are too thin-skinned to be involved in “open” RF debate. You should IGNORE “open” RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”


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Guidelines to the Religion Forum
1 posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:45 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

“Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.”

James 1:19-20


2 posted on 06/22/2012 8:53:53 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Religion Moderator

How much time did it take you to type that out ? It is sad you even had to because its all common sense. Debating theology is a lot different than attacking an individual person because of their faith.


3 posted on 06/22/2012 8:56:35 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Religion Moderator
It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.

Can we consider islam and satanism to be synonymous?

4 posted on 06/22/2012 8:59:04 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I hope the guidelines will help posters who are new to religious debate.


5 posted on 06/22/2012 9:00:09 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: smokingfrog

We do have Muslim Freepers though they do not participate in the religious debate. We do not however have any Islamic Fundamentalist Freepers.


6 posted on 06/22/2012 9:01:48 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: smokingfrog

7 posted on 06/22/2012 9:04:22 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Religion Moderator

We also have Muslims who serve honorably in our armed forces, have made the ultimate sacrafice for our country and diametrically opposed to the Al Qaida/Fundamentalist brand with whom we are at war. These people are, in fact, honorable, courageous and have provided critical intelligence to us which have prevented terrorist attacks.


8 posted on 06/22/2012 9:11:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Religion Moderator
"I hope the guidelines will help posters who are new to religious debate."

As a noob, I was unclear on some things; I also didn't know how to tell I was in the Religion forum. Thanks for posting.

9 posted on 06/22/2012 9:22:55 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: JoeProBono
Your post is a case in point.

A poster on an "open" RF thread like this can say that a particular belief, diety, religious authority, etc. is "Satanic." But he must not say "You are Satanic." That would be "making it personal."

The Bible is always a legitimate source on the Religion Forum, so a poster might quote the Bible where Jesus called Peter "Satan." If his post serves no debate purpose (flame bait or 'making it personal' by devious means) - it would be pulled.

10 posted on 06/22/2012 9:24:55 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: CatherineofAragon

You’re welcome.


11 posted on 06/22/2012 9:26:07 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

You’ve been doing an awesome job.

I perceive that mormonism is heresy. Anyone who follows it is a heretic. I would not vote for a heretic for president, because if a person cannot shake such an easily disproven philosophy then they would proceed from such an invalid position to make very poor choices. In Romney’s case, he is also a faux conservative, so I wouldn’t vote for him anyways.

Is the above considered flamebait?


12 posted on 06/22/2012 9:32:53 AM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Debating theology is a lot different than attacking an individual person because of their faith

And yet, so many people have a problem distinguishing between them. I'm thinking of a certain poster who shall remain nameless.

13 posted on 06/22/2012 9:35:53 AM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: Kevmo

Your post is fine for an “open” RF thread because you are not speaking of an individual Freeper but MormonISM and a group of believers, collectively.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 9:40:42 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Vigilanteman

Hear Hear!

Now my response to the Religion moderator.

Bantering of R.F. questions. No criticism is intended. Maybe just pointed questions here?

Will someone change what they believe?
Do they believe they are gaining converts?
Are they doing gods work in their minds sitting in front of a keyboard and monitor?
I wonder if there are more productive ways to do what they believe god wants them to do that involves face to face contact with live people with real problems?

I can see sharing something that inspires you. I can’t see visiting a site to get mad at others, searching for conflict, hoping to spread dirt that they have found about a person or a person’s religion. Then blowing their blood pressure through the roof in anger at what others believe.

RM’s are brave souls. I’ll retreat back into the main forums now.


15 posted on 06/22/2012 9:41:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Religion Moderator

Keep up the good work, I love this forum!


16 posted on 06/22/2012 9:42:56 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: listenhillary

Some Freepers have changed their religious beliefs because of the contentious religious debate on Free Republic. I do not know about the Lurkers.


17 posted on 06/22/2012 9:44:14 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thank you for your support.


18 posted on 06/22/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Can I hate my own church? Buncha tree-hugging Methodists.


19 posted on 06/22/2012 9:50:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: listenhillary
I was saved fromt he cult of Mormonism here on FR during the runup to the 2008 election. I was here defending Romney at the time and thoght the "inmans" were posting lies abotu my "founding prophets". One day in a fit of absolute rage I went to prove one referenced quote wrong where FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith claimed to be greater than Jesus Christ. I saw with my own eyes, in their own book, that he did.

I am still amazed at the level to which I had been deceived and brainwashed, and need to warn others about this, and the dangers of having a Romney in the white house. I will warn because I love, not because I hate. I don't want anyone to go through what I went through.

Since then I have seen this "hate" card used on almost every thread when they can't answer a question, like why Brigham Young called Smith's "retranslation" of the bible a fraud so the LDS sect doesn't use it.

Mark my words, people, Romney in the white house and Reid in the Senate = "hate crimes" cover for mormons.

Yes, telling the truth DOES win converts !

20 posted on 06/22/2012 9:53:27 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; ...
There seems to be a practice of some RF posters ignoring your warnings on "making it personal" and using the same language in subsequent threads.

Can we now look to these posters and the "thin-skinned" posters being told to leave the thread as in the past?

There is also a marked increase in new RF posters using obscenities in the RF, including acronyms denoting obscenities. I would suggest forbidding that be a part of your rules.

There have been several FReepers banned due to accusations of others in the RF either being "nazis", suggesting nazi behavior and especially accusations that some FReepers want to "see members of a certain faith killed". I suggest that a warning that these practices could affect a FReeper's membership be made a permanent part of the RF rules.

Thanks for this thread and your exemplary monitoring of the FR during the past few years. It's much appreciated.

21 posted on 06/22/2012 9:53:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: Religion Moderator

HUGE support for the Religion Moderator Bump!

You have something of a thankless task, so I am stopping to say thanks. Your rules are reasonable and appreciated.


22 posted on 06/22/2012 10:00:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: AppyPappy

Your Church is filled with adulterers, liars and hypocrites. The same as all of the other churches. You can hate the institution but not the people. “Love one another” is a commandment. Not subject to debate. You cannot, the same as I cannot, love those sorry maggots UNLESS I have the love of God in me. That’s just the way it is.


23 posted on 06/22/2012 10:01:13 AM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: SENTINEL

If I were working for Organizing for America, I would pay a good sized staff or multiple groups to throw firebombs in religion forums all across the internet. They can see a weakness and it will be exploited.

I’m not pointing this at you or anyone on this thread. Just saying. One candidate wants it so bad, they are doing many irrational things. It is a very dangerous time.

I’ll never tell anyone who they should vote for.


24 posted on 06/22/2012 10:05:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: AppyPappy

LOL


25 posted on 06/22/2012 10:10:51 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: listenhillary

I think OFA is doing exactly that, i.e., paying for ads and posters to disrupt any forum that might attract potential Romney voters. For example: yesterday I was looking for a recipe, went to, IIRC, All-Recipes. Lo and behold, there’s an ad telling me how much good O has done for women! Those folks are everywhere!


26 posted on 06/22/2012 10:17:41 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: greyfoxx39; All
When you see an inappropriate post on the Religion Forum, send me a Freepmail, ping me - or if it is urgent, make an abuse report.

Sometimes I just post warnings to discourage ad hominems - but if the post is particularly flammable, I will pull it. Accusing any group of believers or anti-believers of a crime (e.g. 'they want to see ... killed' or 'they're Nazis') IS urgent.

Finally, any Religion Forum post which contains potty language - or references to potty language - will be pulled as soon as I see it.

If you are new to the Religion Forum and wonder where your post went, it may well be that you used a word like "crap" or "BS". If you need to see the post again to reword it, let me know by Freepmail and I'll send it to you.

27 posted on 06/22/2012 10:20:43 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: listenhillary
I'm sure Obama will use Romney's mormonism against him. We've been warning FR for years about this. Now Christians will have to abandon their values, defend and cover up for a false prophet, and elect a cult leader to defeat Obama, which will anger God. Brilliant plan on Satan's part if you ask me.

I'm writing in George Washington and walking away with a clear conscience.

Romney is to 2012 America as King Ahab was to ancient Israel.

28 posted on 06/22/2012 10:21:33 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: listenhillary
If I were working for Organizing for America, I would pay a good sized staff or multiple groups to throw firebombs in religion forums all across the internet.

The FR Religion Forum was in existence for some time before Obama entered the scene. I would suggest that Restore Our Future has the exact same opportunity. and the likelihood is that Romney "threw firebombs" at Republican opponents during the primaries.

IMO,it would be irrational to suggest that anyone on FR would be infiltratrating in the manner in which you describe.

29 posted on 06/22/2012 10:21:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thank you for your support.


30 posted on 06/22/2012 10:26:43 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: greyfoxx39

You are probably right.


31 posted on 06/22/2012 10:38:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Religion Moderator

My thanks to the RM at FR. When I first started posting on the Religion Forum, I was totally unprepared. Over the years I have learned to make my posts “not personal.”

Thank you for helping me hone my skills, sharpen my thoughts, still my tongue (when necessary), and quit taking every slight personally.

FR has helped me learn, grow, and it has toughened my resolve, and it was due to the Religion Moderators.


32 posted on 06/22/2012 11:19:34 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: BipolarBob

“Your Church is filled with adulterers, liars and hypocrites.”

So is my chair right now.


33 posted on 06/22/2012 11:23:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: colorcountry

Thank you.


34 posted on 06/22/2012 11:24:24 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: colorcountry

One of the problems has been that the anti-Mormons tend to say “Mormons believe....” which is not always true. If they do believe some of that stuff, they hide it. As best I can tell,the LDS church is run like an MLM. The uplines know a lot about the church. The downlines aren’t as well-versed, especially if they are later converts. They aren’t exactly sitting around reading D&C and Pearl. My LDS neighbor said they will barely read the BOM. That’s why they have to push it.
The difference between Mormons and Protestants is that Mormons don’t feel comfortable criticizing their church (or any church publicly). Protestants treat it like a sacrament.


35 posted on 06/22/2012 11:34:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy

Anti-Mormons? What do you mean by that statement? Do you mean Pro-Christian, perhaps? ...or Truth-tellers?

Why is it necessary to attach such a label to those who try to expose the truths about Mormonism?

Perhaps it is like those who label haters of abortion as ‘anti-choicers.’..... Making a positive a negative.


36 posted on 06/22/2012 11:42:15 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: colorcountry

Because it is true. It’s not like you hide it.


37 posted on 06/22/2012 12:22:05 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy

Then by your reasoning you might be called an anti-anti-mormon.

LOL


38 posted on 06/22/2012 12:30:28 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: AppyPappy
This is a case in point. The "inmans" as they call themselves are anti-MormonISM, not anti-Mormon. Many of them have Mormon ancestors, relatives and friends.

Calling them "anti-Mormon" attributes motive to them as a group which is not technically "making it personal" - but saying that another Freeper, personally, is anti-Mormon instead of anti-MormonISM is an ad hominem. It is "making it personal."

The main Religion Forum guideline is "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

39 posted on 06/22/2012 12:31:51 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: AppyPappy

The difference between Mormons and Protestants
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I believe you mean “Mormons and CHRISTIANS”

your words could be misconscued to mean that Catholics are in agreement with Mormons...

or even that Mormon might be Christians...just another branch.,..

Which of course they are not...

The differences between Mormons and Christians are several...

The main one being that Mormons do not believe in the Trinity...

They also do not believe that the LORD Jesus Christ is God and started out as God...

That He shed His Blood on the Cross to save us and died on the Cross and was resurrected...

They do not believe that Mary was a virgin when she concived Jesus...

They believe that their own mormon gods started as men and were good enough to evolve into gods...

and that they were all polygamists...

They believe that there are goddess wives of their gods giving birth to spirit babies who then come to Earth and are born as humans..

The differences in doctrines between Mormonism and Christianity are numerous...

including the one that their jesus never managed to keep his “church” from failing...

and that a mere man Joey Smith had to rescue the mormon “church” for the Mormon jesus 1800 years after it was started...and lost..

The mormons believe that even after death a person can be “atoned” into the Mormon religion...

The Mormons also discount the Christian Bible as untrue and replace it with their book of mormon as the real “truth”

Mormonism is not Christianity...

BTW Would you also call us anti-Islamics ???


40 posted on 06/22/2012 12:51:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Religion Moderator

“It is ok to express hatred towards ProtestantISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Protestants because some Freepers are Protestant.”

Does that go for Islam and muslims too?


41 posted on 06/22/2012 12:53:03 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: colorcountry; Religion Moderator

Seriously, how are you going to ask someone if they believe that BroJoe put a magic rock in a hat to read some gold plates that he dug out of the ground to write the BOM without making them look like they just fell off the turnip truck?

I read The Book of Mormon A Biography by Paul Gutjahr(a non-Mormon). He tried to be totally factual and unopinionated but when he got to that part, you could sense he was uncomfortable telling the story.

You cannot separate Mormons from Mormonism. They are too invested in it, up to their Temple Recommend. That’s why they take it so personally.


42 posted on 06/22/2012 12:54:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Tennessee Nana

By most definitions, a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. If a Mormon does that, by definition they are Saved. If you want to change the definition, it’s fine with me.

“The main one being that Mormons do not believe in the Trinity”

You are assuming that every Mormon doesn’t believe in the trinity. I think you are confusing Mormons with Mormonism. The LDS church is not Trinitarian. The only Mormon I ever asked about it said he believed in the Trinity.


43 posted on 06/22/2012 1:00:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy
You cannot separate Mormons from Mormonism. They are too invested in it, up to their Temple Recommend. That’s why they take it so personally.

I totally agree with you here, but that cannot and will not stop the religion forum for discussing Mormonism, and thus Mormons.

44 posted on 06/22/2012 1:01:03 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: nuconvert

See posts 6,7,8 and 10.


45 posted on 06/22/2012 1:16:20 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Thanks for your efforts - again as in the past.


46 posted on 06/22/2012 1:17:19 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: colorcountry; AppyPappy
Members of religions which are as much culture as belief sometimes do take religious debate personally. If so, they would be better off by ignoring "open" Religion Forum threads altogether and instead posting to "ecumenical" "caucus" "prayer" or "devotional" threads.

"Open" RF debate requires thick skin. A poster must be able to make his points while standing his ground, suffering adverse remarks about his beliefs - or letting them roll of his back.

47 posted on 06/22/2012 1:32:18 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Godzilla

Your continued support is appreciated.


48 posted on 06/22/2012 1:34:41 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
Some political posters are now venturing onto the Religion Forum probably because Romney’s beliefs are at issue in this election.

If you don’t know whether you are on the Religion Forum, look at the top of your internet browser window. If the current address (URL) begins with http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/ then you are on the Religion Forum.

As a comment toward operations, I wonder if it would be possible to auto-add a red-letter line to the top of any RF thread OP informing the reader he is 'in' the RF and point a link to RF rules?

I have engaged posters in the past that did not realize they were in the RF, or that there is a special rule set governing the RF.

Considering that special case, I think the forum identification should be more noticeable than the std. means... Just sayin'...

49 posted on 06/22/2012 1:48:10 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Religion Moderator; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
From the Religion Moderator: This is a case in point. The "inmans" as they call themselves are anti-MormonISM, not anti-Mormon. Many of them have Mormon ancestors, relatives and friends.

Calling them "anti-Mormon" attributes motive to them as a group which is not technically "making it personal" - but saying that another Freeper, personally, is anti-Mormon instead of anti-MormonISM is an ad hominem. It is "making it personal."

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"Anti-mormon" is a term approved by and used by today's mormon leaders.

"anti-mormon" term used at LDS.org Click HERE

It is used to keep the "persecuted mormons" label alive and to keep the "us vs. them" attitude of the 1800s alive in the 2010s. The aim is also to gain sympathy among those ignorant of mormon doctrines and practices that would garner disapproval by those not of the faith, and it works to that end on FR as we see daily.

The use of this term, "anti-mormon" only emphasizes the "anti-Christian" daily messages spread out in the world by the 52,000 mormon missionaries.

"Anti-mormon" is a passive-aggressive slur against ALL Christians who eschew membership in the sect. The use of this term as an accusation against FReepers is no co-incidence now that Romney is a POTUS candidate.

50 posted on 06/22/2012 1:49:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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