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To: HarleyD; Campion

“Augustine tells how once he understood God’s sovereignty, he not only realized how great was his error but he sought to recall many of his writings to burn them. I understand completely what Augustine realized because I went through the same thing.”

While I suppose they exist, I’ve never met anyone who was saved upon hearing the Calvinist message. Every Calvinist I’ve ever met started their Christian life believing they had repented, and been born again. Only later did they come to believe they were given life, born again, and THEN believed and repented.

So if free will and the need to repent to be born again - life following repentance - is heresy, why are [most] Calvinists saved by heresy?

“...but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.”


148 posted on 06/22/2012 7:44:50 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Mr Rogers; Campion
While I suppose they exist, I’ve never met anyone who was saved upon hearing the Calvinist message. Every Calvinist I’ve ever met started their Christian life believing they had repented, and been born again. Only later did they come to believe they were given life, born again, and THEN believed and repented.

Sure, that is typical of our prideful self at work. It's only after one really thinks about what happens in their salvation that they may understand. To illustrate let me ask every Christian here a simple question.

If people answered that question and ponder their answer, they would be Calvinists. I have yet to find a Christian who didn't say, "Christ saved me."

158 posted on 06/22/2012 9:36:44 AM PDT by HarleyD
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