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The Big Discovery [by David, former Presbyterian]
Journeyof ImperfectSaint.blogspot.com ^ | October 4, 2009 | David

Posted on 06/03/2012 1:47:18 PM PDT by Salvation

Sunday, October 4, 2009

The Big Discovery

        I made some good friends outside my church and found out that they were all Catholics.  Now, I did not know much about Catholicism at the time.  By the way, the Mass did seem somewhat mysterious to me externally.  In fact, what little I had heard from other church members was all negative.  There was a Mrs. J at my church, who had just retired from her missionary post in China.  She was such a kind and endearing soul to all.  One day she got back from visiting someone at a hospital and looked extremely sad and disturbed.  It turned out that when she got to the hospital room, she saw that a Catholic priest was already there with the patient.  Now the question was if the patient would ever get to heaven. 
 
        Nevertheless, my Catholic friends all looked quite normal and happy.  Then could the Catholic Church, the largest church in the the world, be in error?  It so happened that at that time I was also beginning to question my Protestant faith.  The fact that there were numerous different denominations around the world bothered me.  Also, as a Protestant, whether you're a minister or lay person, you are free to marry and divorce any number of times.  It's hard to see that Jesus would be happy with these two facts.  Since I am the kind of person who always likes to find the answer to any question that's important, I decided to look into Catholicism.
 
        I made up my mind not to talk to anyone about my investigation.  I was single then and had a lot of free time to myself.  The local public library housed an excellent collection of books on Catholicism, so I started borrowing books on the subject.  I read every weekend, even taking notes as I read.  The went on for over a year.  I read all those books that viciously attack the Catholic Church too, but somehow they did not affect me much because I sensed that these attacks could not have been prompted by the Holy Spirit.  The books that really helped me were the ones on early Church history.  I could see that the continuity was there and the beliefs and practices of the early Church had been preserved to this day in the Catholic Church.  The only conclusion I could come to was that the Catholic Church was indeed the church Jesus had come and established.  Like Christ himself, the Church, being his body, must be accepted (or rejected) totally, with no middle ground. 
 
        Here's some advice for those who seek the truth.  Your chances of success will greatly improve if, first, you start out with a completely open mind and secondly, go to the source(s) directly to get the facts.  Many who misunderstand the Catholic Church today have already made up their mind that the Church is wrong, thus never bothering to pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church to find out what the Church really teaches.  This is being close-minded. 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; converts; willconvertforfood
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The books that really helped me were the ones on early Church history. I could see that the continuity was there and the beliefs and practices of the early Church had been preserved to this day in the Catholic Church.

Amen, David!

1 posted on 06/03/2012 1:47:29 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Ping!


2 posted on 06/03/2012 1:50:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oh boy. This thread is going to get ugly.


3 posted on 06/03/2012 1:55:16 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Jeff Chandler

And we will see who makes it ugly.


4 posted on 06/03/2012 1:56:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

God Bless and WELCOME Home!


5 posted on 06/03/2012 1:59:21 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

“Also, as a Protestant, whether you’re a minister or lay person, you are free to marry and divorce any number of times.”

Unlike the Catholic church which simply annuls your marriage, pretends it never happened, and makes your children bastards (see Ted Kennedy).


6 posted on 06/03/2012 2:07:16 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl

strawman alert, strawman alert....


7 posted on 06/03/2012 2:13:20 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Hootowl

I don’t think you know what you are talking about.


8 posted on 06/03/2012 2:14:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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history is the key though...even today, when we live in times that politically charged...we true american conservatives can and do, refer the the countries founding fathers, their documents and what they believed in a what actions they took...no one with any real sense, argues against that...

but then, the same applies to the church fathers, who lived and breathed life into the church, by their words, thoughts, and deeds, their adherence to the three legged stool of the the word, sacred tradition and the teach church....

some folks refuse to see it..or do, and refuse to acknowledge the historicity stands out and proves the catholic church is the one Jesus created....much to their own loss...despite their brave words...that usually just entail some version of “i just need the bible, jesus and me”...


9 posted on 06/03/2012 2:22:38 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Salvation; metmom; smvoice; boatbums; daniel1212; caww
>> I could see that the continuity was there and the beliefs and practices of the early Church had been preserved to this day in the Catholic Church.<<

Maybe we all missed the apostles veneration and teaching about Mary or something.

10 posted on 06/03/2012 3:40:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


11 posted on 06/03/2012 3:42:56 PM PDT by narses
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12 posted on 06/03/2012 3:44:17 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses

my friend asked me if catholics believe in Christ. i was speechless. it was then i realized how misinformed the main stream non catholic knew of my religion. wow. just wow .


13 posted on 06/03/2012 3:50:47 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


14 posted on 06/03/2012 3:52:11 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses

So Mary is now one of the apostles? Did you not understand the statement?


15 posted on 06/03/2012 3:54:37 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Yep the odd poster who claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical is here again.

16 posted on 06/03/2012 4:02:48 PM PDT by narses
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To: Salvation
. . . thus never bothering to pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church to find out what the Church really teaches.

Nothing against the Catholic Church, but I am more interested in picking up the Bible to find out what it really teaches.

17 posted on 06/03/2012 4:06:08 PM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Donnafrflorida
my friend asked me if catholics believe in Christ. i was speechless. it was then i realized how misinformed the main stream non catholic knew of my religion. wow. just wow .

Apparently the Catholic church isn't doing so well on getting the message out.

18 posted on 06/03/2012 4:16:29 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear

Have you read ANY of the Early Church Fathers (from a Catholic source, of course?)

It’s there, believe me, please.


19 posted on 06/03/2012 4:16:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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And the divorce rate among Catholics is how much better than average?


20 posted on 06/03/2012 4:19:21 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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