Posted on 06/02/2012 2:25:23 PM PDT by NYer
My grandmother and a nephew had similar NDE. Both told of the love they felt and being told it wasn’t their time....and yes it changed their appreciation of life.....
IMO it has nothing to do with re-incarnation....There’s room for all in Heaven...Are we not told of the many chambers? No need to send a soul back for a second try.
What about “He knew us before we were born”?
The question remains: do the dead know what an NDE is?
Just amazing - thanks!! My brother (an engineer) lives in Jackson Wyoming, does serious back country skiing and is an atheist.
I’m concerned that she never mentioned Jesus.
“What about “He knew us before we were born”?”
Yes, these NDE stories have the ring of truth and are so common across all cultures and history that it is hard to dismiss them.
But, the idea that we have a pre-existence in heaven before we are born is theologically problematic. That isn’t correct teaching as I understand it.
The reference to Jeremiah about God calling him before birth is usually interpreted to refer to God’s foreknowledge, not our pre-existence.
In other words, God’s knows the future (lives outside of time), not that WE existed in the past before birth.
Also, these scriptures could refer to pre-natal life in the womb.
However, there may be a way to explain encounters with selves who are not yet born as communication from the future into the present.
There’s always one. Never satisfied. Everyone must do it your way, right? People like you give religion a bad name.
And so it is “Today we see but dimly as in a mirror”
Remember mirrors were jst polished metal back then...no glass reflections.
One day we too will know.
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The web site for the author here has a whole section on “pre-birth” experiences — so this sounds like re-incarnation.
Traditional Christian theology doesn’t teach that we have souls in heaven before birth.
Perhaps there is a way to explain this as experiencing the future now or something.
Otherwise it sounds like new age counterfeit teachings.
What do you think?
Babies are not in heaven waiting to be born — right?
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Sounds like Mormon teaching to me.
Do you work with Hospice Veterans also?
If so could you Freepmail me??
She referred to Christianity, but Christianity is Christ. Sorry if that annoys you.
“Sounds like Mormon teaching to me.”
Yes, but her bio says that she is an elder at a Presbyterian Church.
There is a description of a war in Heaven.
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his
angels.
If nobody existed before birth, how could that be?
I was near death, I don't recall much of if but something occurred that allowed me to fear death less.
While I was not present, I have been told the story of my dear grandmother’s death... She had been suffering from Alzheimer’s disease for many years, significantly deteriorated by it’s signature dementia. Fr a long time, she had been in a mental ward, unable to recognize any of her loved ones but for fleeting, yet still irrational moments.
As the time of her death drew very near, her sons and daughters, accompanied by many of their children, gathered from the four corners to bid her a fond farewell and see her on her way.
In the last moments, she became absolutely lucid and free of pain - recognizing all of her loved ones gathered around her long enough to catch up on things and receive the love of them all, chatting as merrily as the many times we spent as a whole family at her kitchen table. Then her eyes shifted to the door, and she saw something which gave her incomparable joy... And with three sighing breaths, she was gone; nothing left but the eternally peaceful expression on her face.
Such a thing is a gift from God.
“I’m concerned that she never mentioned Jesus.”
When you consider the purpose of Jesus on earth and the promise he fulfilled, I would think we would be beyond Jesus once we die.
Tis true. I don't mind dying.
I can do without the hurting part. I just remember the great peace of slipping away.
I don't want to do it all over again, but I'll have to, some day. Less the mountain, snowstorm, and blunt trauma wounds. I hope.
/johnny
My own grandmother lay still in her coma as I thanked her profusely for all the joy she had brought to my life. Now, I had thought that there was no one home listening to my tribute. But, she began to stir, lifted her head from her pillow and rasped the words mustering all her waning strength, “I..... love.....you!” I was in shock, and extremely grateful to her, and God. Bob.
Wow. Great post. I want to investigate this further.
Great 1uote by C. S. Lewis.
Great quote by C. S. Lewis.
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