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Life after life? This Wyoming surgeon says she believes
Sarah Hinze ^ | May 22, 2012 | Sarah Hinze

Posted on 06/02/2012 2:25:23 PM PDT by NYer

Mary C. Neal, a Wyoming surgeon, has a more spiritual view of life after a near-death experience following an accident while kayaking in 1999. (Family photo, Credit)

Mary C. Neal, a Wyoming surgeon, has a more spiritual view of life after a near-death experience following an accident while kayaking in 1999. (Family photo, Credit)

JACKSON, WYO. — The way Mary C. Neal sees it, she has essentially lived two different lives: one before her “accident,” as she describes it, and one after.

“I would say that I have been profoundly changed in all aspects of my life,” said Neal, a respected orthopedic spinal surgeon in western Wyoming. “The details of my life, before and after, are similar. But the essence of my life — who I am, what I value, what drives me — is completely different.”

Which isn’t an unusual thing, especially when you consider that her “accident” included death by drowning, an all-too-brief visit with spiritual beings in the life after death, and a remarkable resuscitation after 14 minutes under water, bringing her back to life whole and complete.

But forever changed.

Mary C. Neal (Family photo, Credit) Mary C. Neal (Family photo, Credit)

“Since then I’ve spoken to others who have had similar experiences,” she said during a recent telephone interview from her home in Jackson, Wyo. “Everyone comes back a profoundly changed person.”

She pauses, then adds softly: “I know I did.” Which is not to say that her life before her accident was in tremendous need of change.

“I think I was pretty typical,” she said as she outlined a life that included faithful church attendance as a child and “some spiritual experiences during my high school and college years.”

“I should have been more committed to my Christian faith,” she said, reflecting on adult years that were largely consumed by her work as a surgeon. “I was very busy, and like most people I experienced life on a daily basis. The details of my daily responsibilities sort of crowded out my responsibilities to my spiritual self.”

 (Family photo, Credit) (Family photo, Credit)

She was a believer, a person who believed in God and in the inspired words of the Bible. “But other than just trying to be a good person,” she said, “I don’t think I was particularly religious.”

That all changed in January 1999, when she and her husband, Bill, traveled to Chile for what was intended to be a fun, restful kayaking adventure with friends in the rivers and lakes of Chile’s southern Lake District.

As she explains in her new book, “To Heaven and Back: The True Story of a Doctor’s Extraordinary Walk With God,” she was going over a waterfall on their last day of boating on the Fuy River when her kayak became pinned in the rocks, trapping her under the deep surging water.

Despite her best efforts to free herself from the boat, she “quickly realized that I was not in control of my future.”

At this realization, she says she reached out to God and asked for his divine intervention.

“At the very moment I turned to him,” she writes, “I was overcome with an absolute feeling of calm, peace, and of the very physical sensation of being held in someone’s arms while being stroked and comforted. I felt like I imagine a baby must feel when being lovingly caressed and rocked in his mother’s bosom. I also experienced an absolute certainty that everything would be OK, regardless of the outcome.”

Although she felt “God was present and holding me,” she was still very much aware of her predicament. She could not see or hear anything, but she could feel the pressure of the current pushing and pulling her body.

“It sounds rather morbid, but from an orthopedist’s perspective I was intrigued as I felt my knee bones break and my ligaments tear,” she said. “I tried to analyze the sensations and consider which structures were likely involved. I seemed to feel no pain, but wondered if I was actually screaming without knowing it. I actually did a quick self-assessment and decided that no, I was not screaming. I felt curiously blissful, which is remarkable because I had always been terrified of drowning.”

As her body was slowly being sucked out of her kayak, she says she felt “as though my soul was slowly peeling itself away from my body.”

“I felt a pop and it was as if I had finally shaken off my heavy outer layer, freeing my soul,” she wrote. “I rose up and out of the river, and when my soul broke through the surface of the water I encountered a group of 15 or 20 souls who greeted me with the most overwhelming joy I have ever experienced and could ever imagine.”

She describes the feeling she felt at the moment as “joy at an unadulterated core level.” Although she could not identify these souls by name, she felt that she knew them well, “and knew that I had known them for an eternity.”

According to her published account, these souls “appeared as formed shapes, but not with the absolute and distinct edges of the formed physical bodies we have on Earth. Their edges were blurred, as each spiritual being was dazzling and radiant. Their presence engulfed all of my senses, as though I could see, hear, feel, smell and taste them all at once. ”

While she says she was aware of the anxious efforts to revive her physical body, she felt herself being drawn with her new companions down a path that led to a “great and brilliant hall, larger and more beautiful than anything I can conceive of seeing on Earth.” She sensed that this was “the gate through which each human must pass” to “review our lives and our choices” and to “choose God or turn away.”

“I felt ready to enter the hall and was filled with an intense longing to be reunited with God,” she writes.

But her companions explained that it was not her time to enter — that she still had work to do on Earth.

“I was not happy about coming back — to be honest, I fought it a little,” she said during the interview, chuckling at the memory. But eventually her companions convinced her to return to her body and to begin the long process of recovering from her physical injuries and completing the work she knows she was sent back to complete.

Today, more than 13 years later, she is fully recovered — she didn’t suffer any brain injury despite being under water for 14 minutes — and dealing with the ups and downs of life, including the tragic death of her son, Willie, a bright and promising Olympic skiing hopeful, in 1999.

But she is dealing with life differently than she did prior to her kayaking accident.

“How I view life, every moment of every day, has changed,” she said. “How I view myself and others has profoundly changed. How I do my work as a physician has changed. I think I’m a better doctor now, in that I try to treat the whole person, not just the injury. Physical challenges can be opportunities for growth — I think that’s a valuable perspective to maintain. I wouldn’t have been able to do that before.”

And so she continues her life with new perspective. She says she now finds it much easier to balance her work with service to her family, her church and her community. She has served as an elder in her Presbyterian congregation, on the board of directors of several nonprofit organizations and helped to found the Willie Neal Environmental Awareness Fund.

And, oh yes, she still finds time for kayaking.

“Based on my experience, I know that God has a plan for me and for everyone,” she said. “Our job is to listen and try to hear what God is saying to us as he tells us what he needs us to do. The real challenge for us is to give up control and be obedient to what God is asking of us.”

If we can figure out how to do that, she says, we will be ready when the time finally comes for us to enter that “great and brilliant hall” she encountered during her brief foray into life after death.

“I look forward to the day that I get to go back,” she says now, almost wistfully. “That’s our real home.”


TOPICS: Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; nde; ndes; reincarnation
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1 posted on 06/02/2012 2:25:28 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Sometimes we need a reminder of what awaits us and this story seems appropriate. Enjoy!


2 posted on 06/02/2012 2:27:31 PM PDT by NYer ( “Without justice – what else is the State but a great band of robbers?” - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

I loved this post.Thank you.


3 posted on 06/02/2012 2:32:04 PM PDT by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: NYer

Well said. Nice to hear how their lives have changed after something like this. Makes many less afraid of death.


4 posted on 06/02/2012 2:35:52 PM PDT by Pedrobud
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To: NYer
tragic death of her son, Willie, a bright and promising Olympic skiing hopeful, in 1999

Make that 2009.

5 posted on 06/02/2012 2:36:51 PM PDT by bgill
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To: NYer
"...when my soul broke through the surface of the water..."

"You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body."
~ C.S. Lewis

6 posted on 06/02/2012 2:46:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: NYer

I was curious about whether comatose patients near death were still in possession of their soul on earth during those final hours. When my wonderful dad passed away a few weeks ago, I had my answer. YES, he *was* there, and in an instant, not a second, but an instant, I knew that he was with God. His eyes had been closed, and his head remained still, but I watched and witnessed that exact moment that his soul left earth.
In a strange way, it was comforting to see that he was taken, not slowly, but *instantly* into eternity with God. God is good. Bob


7 posted on 06/02/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("You were trying to chisel a perfect truth When the instrument broke in your hand." Al Stewart)
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To: NYer

profound.


8 posted on 06/02/2012 2:50:42 PM PDT by brivette
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To: NYer

Delightful and fascinating post. Thank you.


9 posted on 06/02/2012 2:52:15 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: NYer
I was not happy about coming back

Early December 2009, I was bleeding out after a fall from a mountain in NM during a blizzard. Wound up losing a spleen and a kidney, broke 3 ribs and a vert, and took one of the ribs into the chest cavity. 2 hours for rescue guys to get to me because of the blizzard.

I woke up 3 days later in a hospital with a few tubes down my throat and spent another 2 weeks in critical care/trauma ward. Took me a long time to recover.

But the thing I first thought when I woke up was 'dammit, I'm still here'. I can relate to what the doc is talking about.

/johnny

10 posted on 06/02/2012 2:55:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: alstewartfan

I have observed ths many times in my work as a hospice chaplain.


11 posted on 06/02/2012 2:57:34 PM PDT by sonrise57 (Help us God for evil men have surrounded us.)
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To: NYer

A question occurs to me while reading this inspiring story.

The question is: Has anyone heard of a muslim every having a NDE and coming back with awe and wonder in their heart about what awaits them when they pass?

Serious question and not asked to provoke.


12 posted on 06/02/2012 3:01:04 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka
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13 posted on 06/02/2012 3:10:35 PM PDT by NYer ( “Without justice – what else is the State but a great band of robbers?” - St. Augustine)
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To: Hulka

In all seriousness, I can only offer up the old joke about an afterlife encounter with a group of old men in white wigs known collectively as the 72 Virginians.


14 posted on 06/02/2012 3:16:59 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: NYer

Oh how I hope this is what my son experienced.


15 posted on 06/02/2012 3:18:45 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: NYer

You’ll never know how appropriate this was today...THANK YOU...Dad fell/sat down twice this afternoon. DR appointments are made but it’s in HIS hands.

Blessing to you as you have blessed others.


16 posted on 06/02/2012 3:21:27 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: NYer
“Our job is to listen and try to hear what God is saying to us as he tells us what he needs us to do. The real challenge for us is to give up control and be obedient to what God is asking of us.” If we can figure out how to do that, she says, we will be ready when the time finally comes for us to enter that “great and brilliant hall” she encountered during her brief foray into life after death. “I look forward to the day that I get to go back,” she says now, almost wistfully. “That’s our real home.”

Thank you for posting.

17 posted on 06/02/2012 3:28:19 PM PDT by marron
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To: NYer

Beautiful story, thank you.


18 posted on 06/02/2012 3:30:25 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: NYer

Thanks for sharing. On list to read.....very soon.


19 posted on 06/02/2012 3:36:50 PM PDT by colinhester
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To: NYer

I always enjoy near death experience stories since they are inspiring.

The problem is that these stories shouldn’t take the place of scriptural authority.

The web site for the author here has a whole section on “pre-birth” experiences — so this sounds like re-incarnation.

Traditional Christian theology doesn’t teach that we have souls in heaven before birth.

Perhaps there is a way to explain this as experiencing the future now or something.

Otherwise it sounds like new age counterfeit teachings.

What do you think?

Babies are not in heaven waiting to be born — right?


20 posted on 06/02/2012 4:02:07 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

My grandmother and a nephew had similar NDE. Both told of the love they felt and being told it wasn’t their time....and yes it changed their appreciation of life.....

IMO it has nothing to do with re-incarnation....There’s room for all in Heaven...Are we not told of the many chambers? No need to send a soul back for a second try.

What about “He knew us before we were born”?


21 posted on 06/02/2012 4:15:56 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: NYer

The question remains: do the dead know what an NDE is?


22 posted on 06/02/2012 4:19:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: NYer

Just amazing - thanks!! My brother (an engineer) lives in Jackson Wyoming, does serious back country skiing and is an atheist.


23 posted on 06/02/2012 4:23:38 PM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: NYer

I’m concerned that she never mentioned Jesus.


24 posted on 06/02/2012 4:25:46 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: hoosiermama

“What about “He knew us before we were born”?”

Yes, these NDE stories have the ring of truth and are so common across all cultures and history that it is hard to dismiss them.

But, the idea that we have a pre-existence in heaven before we are born is theologically problematic. That isn’t correct teaching as I understand it.

The reference to Jeremiah about God calling him before birth is usually interpreted to refer to God’s foreknowledge, not our pre-existence.

In other words, God’s knows the future (lives outside of time), not that WE existed in the past before birth.

Also, these scriptures could refer to pre-natal life in the womb.

However, there may be a way to explain encounters with selves who are not yet born as communication from the future into the present.


25 posted on 06/02/2012 4:41:07 PM PDT by garjog
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To: beethovenfan

There’s always one. Never satisfied. Everyone must do it your way, right? People like you give religion a bad name.


26 posted on 06/02/2012 4:42:26 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: garjog

And so it is “Today we see but dimly as in a mirror”

Remember mirrors were jst polished metal back then...no glass reflections.

One day we too will know.


27 posted on 06/02/2012 4:44:58 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: garjog

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The web site for the author here has a whole section on “pre-birth” experiences — so this sounds like re-incarnation.

Traditional Christian theology doesn’t teach that we have souls in heaven before birth.

Perhaps there is a way to explain this as experiencing the future now or something.

Otherwise it sounds like new age counterfeit teachings.

What do you think?

Babies are not in heaven waiting to be born — right?
***

Sounds like Mormon teaching to me.


28 posted on 06/02/2012 4:52:05 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: sonrise57

Do you work with Hospice Veterans also?

If so could you Freepmail me??


29 posted on 06/02/2012 5:06:35 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Hildy

She referred to Christianity, but Christianity is Christ. Sorry if that annoys you.


30 posted on 06/02/2012 5:09:06 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

“Sounds like Mormon teaching to me.”

Yes, but her bio says that she is an elder at a Presbyterian Church.


31 posted on 06/02/2012 5:24:22 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
How about REV 12:7 to 9

There is a description of a war in Heaven.

Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his
angels.

If nobody existed before birth, how could that be?

32 posted on 06/02/2012 5:25:32 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Pedrobud
Well said. Nice to hear how their lives have changed after something like this. Makes many less afraid of death.

I was near death, I don't recall much of if but something occurred that allowed me to fear death less.

33 posted on 06/02/2012 5:47:10 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Ineptocracy; the Obama way.)
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To: alstewartfan

While I was not present, I have been told the story of my dear grandmother’s death... She had been suffering from Alzheimer’s disease for many years, significantly deteriorated by it’s signature dementia. Fr a long time, she had been in a mental ward, unable to recognize any of her loved ones but for fleeting, yet still irrational moments.

As the time of her death drew very near, her sons and daughters, accompanied by many of their children, gathered from the four corners to bid her a fond farewell and see her on her way.

In the last moments, she became absolutely lucid and free of pain - recognizing all of her loved ones gathered around her long enough to catch up on things and receive the love of them all, chatting as merrily as the many times we spent as a whole family at her kitchen table. Then her eyes shifted to the door, and she saw something which gave her incomparable joy... And with three sighing breaths, she was gone; nothing left but the eternally peaceful expression on her face.

Such a thing is a gift from God.


34 posted on 06/02/2012 6:53:26 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: beethovenfan

“I’m concerned that she never mentioned Jesus.”

When you consider the purpose of Jesus on earth and the promise he fulfilled, I would think we would be beyond Jesus once we die.


35 posted on 06/02/2012 7:01:47 PM PDT by Ignatz (Winner of a prestigious 1960 Y-chromosome award!)
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To: Mike Darancette
something occurred that allowed me to fear death less.

Tis true. I don't mind dying.

I can do without the hurting part. I just remember the great peace of slipping away.

I don't want to do it all over again, but I'll have to, some day. Less the mountain, snowstorm, and blunt trauma wounds. I hope.

/johnny

36 posted on 06/02/2012 7:08:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: roamer_1

My own grandmother lay still in her coma as I thanked her profusely for all the joy she had brought to my life. Now, I had thought that there was no one home listening to my tribute. But, she began to stir, lifted her head from her pillow and rasped the words mustering all her waning strength, “I..... love.....you!” I was in shock, and extremely grateful to her, and God. Bob.


37 posted on 06/02/2012 7:33:27 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("You were trying to chisel a perfect truth When the instrument broke in your hand." Al Stewart)
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To: NYer

Wow. Great post. I want to investigate this further.


38 posted on 06/02/2012 8:08:21 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Windflier

Great 1uote by C. S. Lewis.


39 posted on 06/02/2012 8:09:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Windflier

Great quote by C. S. Lewis.


40 posted on 06/02/2012 8:09:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thanks for your testimony.


41 posted on 06/02/2012 8:11:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Great quote by C. S. Lewis.

Indeed. A real piece of wisdom there.

42 posted on 06/02/2012 8:11:33 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: garjog
NDEs are NOT about trincarnation.

Life after life? This Wyoming surgeon says she believes

As I lay dying a voice said: ‘Let’s go’ (the near-death experience of a cynical prof)
Atheist Professor’s Near-Death Experience in Hell Left Him Changed
Near-Death Experiences: 30 Years of Research - A neurosurgeon’s perspective
Near-Death Experiences: 30 Years of Research
Seeking Proof in Near-Death Claims (18 Hospitals to study mystery of near-death experiences)
Review of Life After Death: The Evidence
Who is the Being of Light Encountered in Near-Death Experiences
Doctor Claims He Has Evidence of the Afterlife
An Interview with Dinesh D’Souza on Life After Death: The Evidence
World's Largest-ever Study Of Near-Death Experiences

43 posted on 06/02/2012 8:15:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I am a Christian. I have been since childhood. The amazing part for me is that when it came to the nut cut... I was ok with going home. My faith was real. You never know until you come under fire.

On the other hand... I'm not someone you would introduce to your children/grandchildren as the paragon of good behavior. ;)

I'm more the proof of salvation by grace.

/johnny

44 posted on 06/02/2012 8:16:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Salvation

Oops. I’m going to have to get a new keyboard. The letters have worn off the E, T, R

reincarnation.


45 posted on 06/02/2012 8:19:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sonrise57

Wow. Beautiful. Thank you for what you do, and, I have a feeling you are pretty good at your job.

I just found it on Audible and downloaded it.


46 posted on 06/02/2012 8:20:23 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: NYer

Excellent post, a wonderful story to tell.


47 posted on 06/02/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salvation

“NDEs are NOT about reincarnation.”

Great links. I will take a look at these.

I really liked Dinesh D’Souza book Life After Death: The Evidence.

My question concerns the website of the author of this story. She seems to be promoting false doctrine from my perspective.


48 posted on 06/02/2012 8:21:09 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Hulka

While I cannot cite an online reference, I do recall some of the earliest studies of the NDE stuff did indicate that the experience, though not universal in its occurrence, but it was universal throughout just about all religions and cultures.


49 posted on 06/02/2012 8:26:03 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: NYer

The 19th centurians believed as fervently as we do in NDE that they could communicate with the dead. We in the 21st believe in the near death experiences, which have managed to become legitimate enough to earn an acronym. If it’s got an acronym it must be true. Tunnels of light, and few details beyond that. Gimme some details. Is it as boring there as it sounds? Why haven’t the dead communicated back to us? Did they communicate to Jesus? This skeptic’s view is let’s first find an explanation for the human (and animals’) dreams. One of these days perhaps we’ll understand it all, and I’m not saying that science will help us because science is as blind as we all are, but these days aren’t here yet.

Above is not a flame, just another question.


50 posted on 06/02/2012 8:29:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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