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Pelosi Tries to Give Talking Points to Catholics
The Anchoress ^ | 5/11/12 | Elizabeth Scalia

Posted on 05/12/2012 6:51:32 PM PDT by marshmallow

Right on schedule, Nancy Pelosi tries to do what Ted Kennedy and Mario Cuomo have done before her: give talking points to Catholics who wish to hop on to policy that flies in the face of church teaching.

You’ll recall it was Kennedy (and later Cuomo) who gave voice to the corkscrew notion that one could be “personally opposed” to abortion but too broad-minded to “impose my views on others.”

Because, as you know, modern-day liberals would never presume to impose their views on others, not at all. The HHS Mandate? Pffffft!…it’s not imposing anything on Catholic institutions! It’s just making them do the right thing!

Kennedy’s duplicitous language was effective, though. It informed whole generations of very cowardly Catholic politicians and others.

[It] sounded so reasonable and tolerant that it simplified the abortion debate for people who did not care to consider how nonsensical it was. Being “personally opposed” to the death penalty, would Kennedy have tried not to “impose those views” on states, had he the chance? Had he been “personally opposed” to slavery 150 years ago, would he not certainly have tried to “impose” his views on others?

In this case, Mrs. Pelosi is attempting to impose her views, and the views of the NY Times on others, but she’s not “personally opposed”, so she can’t mush-mouth like Mario; instead, she tries to suggest — in the face of the entire teaching body of the church and thousands of years of understanding and reason, that say differently — that her Catholicism compels it.

“My religion has, compels me–and I love it for it–to be against discrimination of any kind in our country, and I consider this a form of discrimination. I think it’s unconstitutional on top of that.

You know, I don’t think Dorothy Day...........

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1 posted on 05/12/2012 6:51:39 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Sweetheart...*this* Catholic doesn't accept talking points from Unitarian/Universalists.Not even ones who masquerade as Catholics.Take your snake oil somewhere else.
2 posted on 05/12/2012 6:58:20 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: marshmallow

The Anti-Pope prevaricator pontificates


3 posted on 05/12/2012 6:58:49 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Gay hens in WH? Who knew?)
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To: marshmallow

I know plenty of Catholics who take Pelosi, Cuomo and Kennedy seriously.

They deserve each other.


4 posted on 05/12/2012 7:02:42 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Gay State Conservative

Do they still Burn Heretics at the Stake ?


5 posted on 05/12/2012 7:07:47 PM PDT by molson209
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To: marshmallow

Satan’s handmaiden is giving religious advice?


6 posted on 05/12/2012 7:11:10 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: marshmallow

Yes, but on any given Sunday she can appear in Holy Mass, sit perhaps in seating nearest a camera, stride forward and receive the Most Holy Sacrament as if just short of veneration herself.


7 posted on 05/12/2012 7:35:26 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: marshmallow

I wouldn’t want to be her meeting with St. Peter at the pearly gates.


8 posted on 05/12/2012 7:37:13 PM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: marshmallow

I will sit in Church tomorrow with a whole batch of democrats that are as bad as Pelosi.

The Democrat Party is their religion-—to be honest I don’t know why they even bother to show up every Sunday.


9 posted on 05/12/2012 8:01:47 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

If this abortion loving witch is christian than I’m the Pope.


10 posted on 05/12/2012 8:19:35 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: RitaOK
Yes, but on any given Sunday she can appear in Holy Mass, sit perhaps in seating nearest a camera, stride forward and receive the Most Holy Sacrament as if just short of veneration herself.

And she'll have to answer to God for that when she meets him on that 'great gettin up mornin'.

11 posted on 05/12/2012 8:27:28 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: marshmallow

It is a shame the parents (parent) of these abortion loving pols didn’t hold the same view as their off spring.

We would be a lot better off.


12 posted on 05/12/2012 8:32:46 PM PDT by xrmusn (#6/98# Let's start from scratch by voting ALL incumbents out.)
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To: SuziQ
And she'll have to answer to God for that when she meets him on that 'great gettin up mornin'.

There is no deception for the Judge of All. Pelosi will be Judged. Unfortunately, so will I. By the same Judge.

Have I committed grievous sins? Yes. I pray for mercy from Him, though. I do not lecture Catholics as to how the Church is wrong. The Church is correct. It is fallible men that are wrong...

13 posted on 05/12/2012 8:55:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: xrmusn

Well. look on the bright side. Once inside, name it and that he should get another ‘parts’ car the same engine and so forth.

I like ‘84 $ ‘85s SE or not. Does it have metal shavings in the old fluid? Once it has been driving for a while? I’m sure your DMV/Sheriff will give you the R&R advice, hell, they might even have one that’s been ‘laying’ around and has everything it has and remember, please keep us updated.


14 posted on 05/12/2012 9:01:43 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: RitaOK
Yes, but on any given Sunday she can appear in Holy Mass, sit perhaps in seating nearest a camera, stride forward and receive the Most Holy Sacrament as if just short of veneration herself.

Apparently not in her home parish she can't.

Open Letter To Nancy Pelosi

15 posted on 05/12/2012 9:02:59 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: marshmallow

Why hasn’t Belosi and other CINO’s like her been excommunicated????


16 posted on 05/12/2012 9:09:09 PM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: Polyxene
Why hasn’t Belosi and other CINO’s like her been excommunicated????

A very good question and something that folks like me are bringing up to our bishops.

17 posted on 05/12/2012 9:18:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: marshmallow

ROTFLOL


18 posted on 05/12/2012 11:24:26 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: marshmallow
Nancy Pelosi (congressional slut) = Sarah Fluge (GULS slut)

19 posted on 05/12/2012 11:44:32 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA. DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: 353FMG

Some in my family posted that comment on Facebook, and were saying that Catholics must support gay marriage.


20 posted on 05/13/2012 5:13:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Sweetheart...*this* Catholic doesn't accept talking points from Unitarian/Universalists.Not even ones who masquerade as Catholics.Take your snake oil somewhere else.

And the highlited word is what may make them think they can get away with it. If everyone is going to Heaven, as they think, then there is no reason for us to still be here. We should have risen with Christ.

21 posted on 05/13/2012 5:23:44 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: MarkBsnr

So true. We’re all sinners in need of continual Grace.


22 posted on 05/13/2012 11:39:37 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Trust me, I know...


23 posted on 05/13/2012 1:54:35 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for the link to the open letter to Nancy Pelosi.

I applaud the letter for the sake of the Lord.

She is clearly self ex-communicated until which time she is equally vocal in her repentance, as she was vocal in her apostasy.


24 posted on 05/13/2012 2:47:15 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: RitaOK

Her self-excommunication is apparently not that clear to Donald Cardinal Wuerl, in whose archdiocese Pelosi spends a good portion of the year.

Flashback: Why Cardinal Wuerl Will Not Deny Communion to Nancy Pelosi or Basically Anyone
by HHAMBROSE on Mar 1, 2012 • 10:51 am No Comments
Listers, recently a priest in the diocese of Washington (DC) denied a lesbian communion, and the diocese released a public letter apologizing to her. It has left many wondering if any person at all is barred from Holy Communion when they are under the pastoral hand of Cardinal Wuerl. The answer is lies in the Cardinal’s – then Archbishop – words regarding Nancy Pelosi and communion.

Archbishop Wuerl Refuses to Deny Communion to Pro-Abortion Speaker Pelosi

In an interview published in a Politics Daily article today, Bishop Wuerl said he disagreed with refraining from giving communion to manifestly pro-abortion politicians, which was equated with “Communion wielded as a weapon.” “That’s the new way now to make your point,” said Wuerl.

“We never – the Church just didn’t use Communion this way. It wasn’t a part of the way we do things, and it wasn’t a way we convinced Catholic politicians to appropriate the faith and live it and apply it; the challenge has always been to convince people.’’ On the other hand, sanctioning Catholics tends to alienate them, he said.

Wuerl said he will make no effort to keep Speaker Pelosi from receiving Communion, saying first “there’s a question about whether this canon [915] was ever intended to be used’’ to correct Catholics in grave error.

Canon 915 states: “Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.”

Wuerl: Why I Won’t Deny Pelosi Communion

For bishops, “there are two different approaches” to bring Catholic politicians in line with Church teaching. “One is the pastoral, teaching mode, and the other is the canonical approach” – the legal approach, in other words. He doesn’t think it’s a very close call: “I have yet to see where the canonical approach has changed anyone’s heart.”

Has he seen his approach change anyone’s heart? He smiles, and says one has to take the long view: “The teaching approach that we’ve used for centuries requires patience, persistence and insistence, but I believe if we teach our people, we will not have a problem with our politicians.”

Of Pelosi in particular, he cites two big reasons he hasn’t and won’t try to keep her from receiving Communion:
First, “there’s a question about whether this canon” – the relevant church law – “was ever intended to be used” to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. “I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way.
http://www.stpeterslist.com/asides/flashback-why-cardinal-wuerl-will-not-deny-communion-to-nancy-pelosi-or-basically-anyone/


25 posted on 05/13/2012 7:17:32 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I keep telling myself that it has gotten so BAD in the American version of Church, that Satan himself has before our very eyes struck the shepherd and scattered the flock and in defiance we must find the Comforter, keep Him near, as the flock we ourselves are in jeapordy, even grave danger. Apostasy is here, I fear. It just hasn’t been announced.

It’s as though the poor souls of the Bishops are actually now willingly appearing to enable the evil, themselves openly scandalizing the faithful, when they aren’t starving the faithful with a diet of milk. I grieve to tears for the abuse endured by the Lord Himself for our sakes, after all He did for us, and now the abuse of His Bride, the Church, and so much of it from *within* His Church.

I hear Raymond Aroya quoting numbers that declare that 43% of American Catholics voted for Obama. Presently we are said to be still split in polls something like 46/43 between the two. That is terribly close.


26 posted on 05/13/2012 9:13:51 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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