Skip to comments.Pelosi Tries to Give Talking Points to Catholics
Posted on 05/12/2012 6:51:32 PM PDT by marshmallow
Right on schedule, Nancy Pelosi tries to do what Ted Kennedy and Mario Cuomo have done before her: give talking points to Catholics who wish to hop on to policy that flies in the face of church teaching.
Youll recall it was Kennedy (and later Cuomo) who gave voice to the corkscrew notion that one could be personally opposed to abortion but too broad-minded to impose my views on others.
Because, as you know, modern-day liberals would never presume to impose their views on others, not at all. The HHS Mandate? Pffffft! its not imposing anything on Catholic institutions! Its just making them do the right thing!
Kennedys duplicitous language was effective, though. It informed whole generations of very cowardly Catholic politicians and others.
[It] sounded so reasonable and tolerant that it simplified the abortion debate for people who did not care to consider how nonsensical it was. Being personally opposed to the death penalty, would Kennedy have tried not to impose those views on states, had he the chance? Had he been personally opposed to slavery 150 years ago, would he not certainly have tried to impose his views on others?
In this case, Mrs. Pelosi is attempting to impose her views, and the views of the NY Times on others, but shes not personally opposed, so she cant mush-mouth like Mario; instead, she tries to suggest in the face of the entire teaching body of the church and thousands of years of understanding and reason, that say differently that her Catholicism compels it.
My religion has, compels meand I love it for itto be against discrimination of any kind in our country, and I consider this a form of discrimination. I think its unconstitutional on top of that.
You know, I dont think Dorothy Day...........
(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...
The Anti-Pope prevaricator pontificates
I know plenty of Catholics who take Pelosi, Cuomo and Kennedy seriously.
They deserve each other.
Do they still Burn Heretics at the Stake ?
Satan’s handmaiden is giving religious advice?
Yes, but on any given Sunday she can appear in Holy Mass, sit perhaps in seating nearest a camera, stride forward and receive the Most Holy Sacrament as if just short of veneration herself.
I wouldn’t want to be her meeting with St. Peter at the pearly gates.
I will sit in Church tomorrow with a whole batch of democrats that are as bad as Pelosi.
The Democrat Party is their religion-—to be honest I don’t know why they even bother to show up every Sunday.
If this abortion loving witch is christian than I’m the Pope.
And she'll have to answer to God for that when she meets him on that 'great gettin up mornin'.
It is a shame the parents (parent) of these abortion loving pols didn’t hold the same view as their off spring.
We would be a lot better off.
There is no deception for the Judge of All. Pelosi will be Judged. Unfortunately, so will I. By the same Judge.
Have I committed grievous sins? Yes. I pray for mercy from Him, though. I do not lecture Catholics as to how the Church is wrong. The Church is correct. It is fallible men that are wrong...
Well. look on the bright side. Once inside, name it and that he should get another ‘parts’ car the same engine and so forth.
I like ‘84 $ ‘85s SE or not. Does it have metal shavings in the old fluid? Once it has been driving for a while? I’m sure your DMV/Sheriff will give you the R&R advice, hell, they might even have one that’s been ‘laying’ around and has everything it has and remember, please keep us updated.
Apparently not in her home parish she can't.
Why hasn’t Belosi and other CINO’s like her been excommunicated????
A very good question and something that folks like me are bringing up to our bishops.
Some in my family posted that comment on Facebook, and were saying that Catholics must support gay marriage.
And the highlited word is what may make them think they can get away with it. If everyone is going to Heaven, as they think, then there is no reason for us to still be here. We should have risen with Christ.
So true. We’re all sinners in need of continual Grace.
Trust me, I know...
Thank you for the link to the open letter to Nancy Pelosi.
I applaud the letter for the sake of the Lord.
She is clearly self ex-communicated until which time she is equally vocal in her repentance, as she was vocal in her apostasy.
Her self-excommunication is apparently not that clear to Donald Cardinal Wuerl, in whose archdiocese Pelosi spends a good portion of the year.
Flashback: Why Cardinal Wuerl Will Not Deny Communion to Nancy Pelosi or Basically Anyone
by HHAMBROSE on Mar 1, 2012 10:51 am No Comments
Listers, recently a priest in the diocese of Washington (DC) denied a lesbian communion, and the diocese released a public letter apologizing to her. It has left many wondering if any person at all is barred from Holy Communion when they are under the pastoral hand of Cardinal Wuerl. The answer is lies in the Cardinals then Archbishop words regarding Nancy Pelosi and communion.
Archbishop Wuerl Refuses to Deny Communion to Pro-Abortion Speaker Pelosi
In an interview published in a Politics Daily article today, Bishop Wuerl said he disagreed with refraining from giving communion to manifestly pro-abortion politicians, which was equated with Communion wielded as a weapon. Thats the new way now to make your point, said Wuerl.
We never the Church just didnt use Communion this way. It wasnt a part of the way we do things, and it wasnt a way we convinced Catholic politicians to appropriate the faith and live it and apply it; the challenge has always been to convince people. On the other hand, sanctioning Catholics tends to alienate them, he said.
Wuerl said he will make no effort to keep Speaker Pelosi from receiving Communion, saying first theres a question about whether this canon  was ever intended to be used to correct Catholics in grave error.
Canon 915 states: Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.
Wuerl: Why I Wont Deny Pelosi Communion
For bishops, there are two different approaches to bring Catholic politicians in line with Church teaching. One is the pastoral, teaching mode, and the other is the canonical approach the legal approach, in other words. He doesnt think its a very close call: I have yet to see where the canonical approach has changed anyones heart.
Has he seen his approach change anyones heart? He smiles, and says one has to take the long view: The teaching approach that weve used for centuries requires patience, persistence and insistence, but I believe if we teach our people, we will not have a problem with our politicians.
Of Pelosi in particular, he cites two big reasons he hasnt and wont try to keep her from receiving Communion:
First, theres a question about whether this canon the relevant church law was ever intended to be used to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way.
I keep telling myself that it has gotten so BAD in the American version of Church, that Satan himself has before our very eyes struck the shepherd and scattered the flock and in defiance we must find the Comforter, keep Him near, as the flock we ourselves are in jeapordy, even grave danger. Apostasy is here, I fear. It just hasn’t been announced.
It’s as though the poor souls of the Bishops are actually now willingly appearing to enable the evil, themselves openly scandalizing the faithful, when they aren’t starving the faithful with a diet of milk. I grieve to tears for the abuse endured by the Lord Himself for our sakes, after all He did for us, and now the abuse of His Bride, the Church, and so much of it from *within* His Church.
I hear Raymond Aroya quoting numbers that declare that 43% of American Catholics voted for Obama. Presently we are said to be still split in polls something like 46/43 between the two. That is terribly close.