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US Bishops: Ryan Budget Fails to Meet ‘Basic Moral Test’
Catholic Culture ^ | 5/9/12

Posted on 05/10/2012 11:59:02 AM PDT by marshmallow

A day after the House Budget Committee voted 21-9 to approve a budget plan proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) renewed its criticism of the plan and urged members of the House of Representatives to “put a circle of protection” around three “essential programs.”

The entire House is scheduled to vote on Ryan’s Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act on May 10.

“I reiterate our strong opposition to an unfair proposal that would alter the Child Tax Credit to exclude children of hard-working, immigrant families,” wrote Bishop Stephen Blaire of Stockton, chairman of the USCCB’s Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development. “Denying the credit to children of working poor immigrant families--the large majority of whom are American citizens--would hurt vulnerable kids, increase poverty, and would not advance the common good.”

“The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as food stamps), provides vital food security to families during tough economic times,” Bishop Blaire added. “It is estimated that cuts proposed in this bill would deny assistance to two million families, and cut the benefit for everyone else. No poor family that receives food assistance would be unaffected, constituting a direct threat to their human dignity.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; liberalfascism; socialism; socialistcatholics

1 posted on 05/10/2012 11:59:04 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Guess I will have to dust off my copy of the Catechism and see where it talks about essential government programs...


2 posted on 05/10/2012 12:01:50 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow

Butt out Bishops!


3 posted on 05/10/2012 12:01:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: marshmallow

Socialist/Communist government murdered more than 100 million of their own citizens in the past hundred years, but I guess the bishops don’t consider that to be too high a number.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 12:03:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: marshmallow

Maybe the Bishops should address how it is “moral” to use the coercive power of the state to extract wealth from one bunch of people in order to give it to another.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 12:03:52 PM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: marshmallow

Robbing Peter to pay Paul, Bishop?

Charity is supposed to come from the heart, not armed government coercion.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 12:04:31 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Non-Holder person.)
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To: marshmallow

Just some left wing lunatics who make me want to puke.

Pious b@#*^%^s who apparently think the high moral ground is to steal money from working people and hand it out to loafers, druggies, pimps and whores just to scrape up a few votes.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 12:06:24 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: marshmallow
Silly me! I thought the reason we put money in the collection plate and poor box was to provide for the needs of those unable to make a living wage. And I thought the reason we paid taxes was to fund necessary government functions, like Defense.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 05/10/2012 12:06:43 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: marshmallow

Ryan’s plan must be a good one if the Catholic Bishops are holy-kincker knotted.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 12:07:43 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: marshmallow

And Bishops....is it not the Churchs’ duty to take care of the poor and widowed??? Step up and start acting like Christ wants you to. Care for the poor with the money that is tithed to you. Encourage your congregation to care for those less fortunate...but why put the burden on the government???


10 posted on 05/10/2012 12:08:46 PM PDT by NC Angeleyes
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To: marshmallow
The Catholic Church has a few nickels laying around. Maybe they should should take over these transfer-of-wealth payments to those whom they believe are in need. God loves a cheerful giver, Bishop.

What's that? You would have enough left to build another cathedral? Tsk, tsk.

11 posted on 05/10/2012 12:20:50 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Don't vote for anyone who worked for Goldman Sachs)
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To: NC Angeleyes; All
"Encourage your congregation to care for those less fortunate...but why put the burden on the government???"

You are ignoring the difference between the freedom of religion established by the Constitution and the freedom of worship advocated by communists governments and the Obama administration.

Freedom of religion ensures that religious institutions can actively participate in the public discourse on a peer basis with any other secular organizations. We have a freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. The Catholic bishops have every bit as much right, representing the countries 64+ million Catholics, to advocate for policies and priorities in line with the Church's values as any political party, union, PAC or pact.

12 posted on 05/10/2012 12:26:24 PM PDT by Natural Law (God, be merciful to me, the sinner!)
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To: marshmallow
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's;... and render the rest to Caesar too, while you're at it.

or something like that.

13 posted on 05/10/2012 12:30:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: marshmallow

I am a Catholic, but the Bishops’ desire for social justice is what brought us Obamacare. How is that one working out for you, bishops?


14 posted on 05/10/2012 12:33:18 PM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

I am a bit of a loss to understand... Catholic bishops act all indignant at Obama’s birth control/abortion pill mandate, then demand government provide MORE food stamps??? Isn’t there something in the Holy Bible about serving two masters? You can’t have it both ways bishops.

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/American-Catholicism-s-Pact-With-the-Devil


15 posted on 05/10/2012 12:35:16 PM PDT by FiddlePig
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To: marshmallow

There would be fewer poor if the GOP and Democrats spent more time putting Americans to work instead of exporting their jobs to the rest of the world.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 12:44:14 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: marshmallow
This is why part of me thinks the whole contraception mandate is a sham.

Forgive me friend, but I have see to many false flag operations. I expect a “compromise” in October letting parts of the Catholic church not follow the mandate, and a surge of Catholics supporting Obama.

17 posted on 05/10/2012 12:57:07 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow
Are these Bishops or Commissars?
18 posted on 05/10/2012 1:09:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: marshmallow

I sure wish the bisops would supply us all with their backgrounds in economic training?

As Paul Ryan has already pointed out...he believes in his plan BECAUSE he cares about the poor.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 1:12:06 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: marshmallow

Maybe the Bishops should ponder why these programs are in such sad straits. FRAUD.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 1:14:06 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: marshmallow

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21 posted on 05/10/2012 1:28:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Natural Law
"The Catholic bishops have every bit as much right, representing the countries 64+ million Catholics, to advocate for policies and priorities in line with the Church's values as any political party, union, PAC or pact."

The problem here, my friend, is that the economic policies and priorities favored by the USCCB are not necessaily those most in line with the Church's values, especially with respect to subsidiarity.

To say "we" must feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, etc. is morally right and correct--- if "we" means the charitable giver, the family, the parish, the Diocese, the community organization, Second Harvest, Food Bank, Soup Kitchen, the private philanthropy, Youth in Mission --- of which we have many in the USA.

But to say that "we" means "the State" is a distortion of genuine Catholic social teaching. Like the prophets of Israel and the Fathers of the Church, the papal and conciliar documents almost always refer to "society" having such-and-such obligations. "Society" is not a synonym for "the State." By "society" they mean "all of us acting justly and charitably," not "the State acting coercively."

22 posted on 05/10/2012 1:47:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.")
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To: marshmallow

The Pope needs to ex-communicate these communist Bishops who are actually “whores of the Devil”


23 posted on 05/10/2012 1:49:56 PM PDT by texican01
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To: marshmallow
These dingys dont seem to realize that the more tax money the socialists extract from the producers the greater power Socialism has to prolong the dependence that is poverty. The Socialists create giant welfare schemes that enamor the poor to themselves, not to God...

The church along with the BISHOPS lose big time. These guys are supposed to have degrees of higher learning but they talk like naive children and wrong headed simps. Psssst guess what fellas...you keep aiding and abetting the socialist tax machines and there will be no money left with which to fund CATHOLIC CHARITIES..and you too fall under the socialist thumb. You will then have no power or money whatsoever to really help the poor!
WAKE UP...AND SHUT UP.

(another thing if you SPEAK IN A MANNER THAT DISRESPECTS THE COMMON SENSE OF FREE MEN THEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE THEIR RESPECT OR SUPPORT....TAKE MY ADVICE AND START WALKIN THIS CRAP BACK ASAP!)

24 posted on 05/10/2012 1:51:04 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: marshmallow

Aren’t these the same guys crying about the gov. poking it’s nose into religious affairs and practices?


25 posted on 05/10/2012 1:58:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"The problem here, my friend, is that the economic policies and priorities favored by the USCCB are not necessaily those most in line with the Church's values, especially with respect to subsidiarity."

On this we fully agree, but to contend that the bishops do not have a right to speak simply because someone does not like what they are saying is absurd.

26 posted on 05/10/2012 2:56:48 PM PDT by Natural Law (God, be merciful to me, the sinner!)
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To: Natural Law
You are correct if you say our clergy have as much right to speak as any citizen. They are welcome to pull up a chair and join the discussion as our equals (although politics and prudential judgments are properly the sphere of the laity.)

The bishops' pastoral authority properly involves faith and morals. The "speaking" (or "issuing of statements") which does not strictly constitute doctrine, however, should come wih a disclaimer along these lines:

"As Bishops we teach authoritatively on matters of the moral doctrine of the Church: the things which involve sins of omission or commission. These policy recommendations involve a choice between competing goods. You can disagree with our prudential judgments without sinning. Our political opinions do not have canonical authority."

"Thank you for listening."

27 posted on 05/10/2012 3:14:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr)
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To: marshmallow

The ‘Pubbies need to find out who the Bishops were and cut the tax exemption of their dioceses.


28 posted on 05/10/2012 3:16:49 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: marshmallow
Hey Bishops why not just dip into the Vatican's treasury and give these poor folks some of the Church's gold! Then the government would not have to rob Peter to give to Paul.
29 posted on 05/10/2012 8:48:46 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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To: marshmallow

If only the bishops wouldn’t squander their moral authority on such things as are really outside their experience and expertise. When they make such pronouncements as this they lessen the seriousness with which many will take their pronouncements about marriage and the sanctity of life, subjects about which the Bible and the history of Christendom are utterly clear, and something about which the bishops, as all Christians, must be very firm in these dark times. Instead we hear such drivel.


30 posted on 05/11/2012 9:23:45 AM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar; marshmallow
I wouldn't mind if they wanted to actually preach in the Catholic tradition.

In his Wall Street Journal column last week, on Paul Ryan’s battle with critics of his budget plan on moral principles, Bill McGurn quotes Dorothy Day: “We believe that Social Security legislation, now billed as a great victory for the poor and for the worker, is a great defeat for Christianity. It is an acceptance of the idea of force and compulsion.”

Yup. That Dorothy Day.

31 posted on 05/11/2012 1:12:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church must not abandon the poor --- to Holy Mother the State." - Servant of God Dorothy Day)
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