Posted on 04/15/2012 7:12:32 AM PDT by GonzoII
“Thus you have made the commandments of God of none effect by your traditions.” - Matthew 15:6
Can you explain if this passage is referring to "paradosis" or "kerygma" and how that difference might reflect on the validity of the criticism of the Catholic Church?
Any real Catholic knows we ask for Prayerss from the saints. I have asked Prayers from Saint Benedict with Christ. Instaneous healings. In Christ through him in Him and the unity of the Holy Spirit we are asking prayer from the Heavenly Host with Jesus.
When we see chickens sacrificed then I will believe you.
Good point.
Tell me, why do you then issue rants whose contents are blatant falsehoods (like the above)?
By the way, is, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" still in your list of the ten commandments? I ask because you just violated that commandment above.
Catholics believe that the merits of the Atonement are infinite.
However, that does not excuse the Christian from the obligation to live as what he is, a son of God, by adoption, through grace. Consistent with that sonship, and enabled by grace, he repents and asks pardon of his sins from his heavenly Father. (cf the parable of the Prodigal Son)
This repentance is ongoing throughout life, just as sinning is ongoing throughout life. It is not a one-time event that one allows one to "trust in Christ" and then sin without consequence forever after.
Or do you believe you must add to it in order to save yourself?
Nobody can save themselves. But by a sufficiently stiff-necked and unrepentant heart, one can certainly damn himself. That's simply a matter of God giving the reprobate what she or he wants, that's all. God won't save you against your will.
This is addressed to Christians. We have to live the life.
We have to confess our sins to God as Christians though Jesus.
John 1:
5 “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 IF we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.
verse 7 “shows IF WE KEEP THE WALK THE SON PURIFIES.”
8 IF WE( Christians) claim to be Without Sin, WE DECEIVE ourselves and the TRUTH IS NOT in US. 9 IF WE CONFESS Our SINS, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.”
There are several IF ‘s in this by John The Apostle.
IF is defined as Condition, Requirement Or Stipulation in my Dictionary.
Notice every One of the words IF the true meaning it reads after this word if are presented for true understanding.
Notice Decieve. Deceive equals if We Claim to be with out Sins.
Notice how “we make God a liar” and His Word is Not in Us.
Do Not Be Decieved. Why would The Apostle John write These exact words!
He uses the word “We” meaning he includes himself.
He uses a lot of We’s too. Hmmmm. Do Not Be Deceived!
Jesus I Pray for All to Understand Your Apostle’s Words !
Praise You Jesus Always!
Glory Be To The Father ,Son and Holy Spirit!
Going to Mass! Freeper Cheers!!
Thanks for your kind replies.
I’m not much interested in the drawn out back and forths so traditional hereon about such things.
Holy Spirit is well able to affirm what HE will’s in the hearts, minds, spirits of those SERIOUSLY interested in
GOD’S TRUTH on such matters.
Not lame
AT ALL.
Quite OBVIOUS, actually.
There's no other remotely adequate explanation that fits the historical record or the rather plain linear facts of the documents.
YUP
On my phone, but there are two lists of the 10 commandments. Of interest Lutherans follow the more traditional reading like the Catholics.
A misunderstanding. I was agreeing that it was nonsense. and that rants were unhelpful. I obviously failed to convey that message that I was agreeing with you when I said agreed. My apologies.
Short, sweet and to the point. I agree.
You don't get to negotiate with God, well maybe what Abram did with the 50, 40...10 righteous people in Sodom or Gomorrah.
the historical record validates the church, you and your like-minded fellow traveler types, have presented zero verifiable historical to counter it.
My apology.
I spring boarded off your post without affirming sufficiently clearly that I was agreeing with your post. Sorry on my part.
{{{hugs}}} LOL.
I probably should qualify the agreement, however.
I think that on occasion, rants are informative to some souls . . . probably on both sides.
I don’t automatically think that all rants are evil. LOL.
I just think that ego driven, overly contentious and redundant rants for the 666th time are more than a little unnecessary
at BEST.
Alas, there’s always new lurkers on all sides to possibly learn something from a repeat performance.
Still, relentless repetitions of wearisome blather which takes even possibly authentic Christian brothers and sisters by the throat and batters them back and forth with prickly self-righteousness and arrogance . . .
is not likely to be evidence of the fruit of Holy Spirit—at least not most of the time.
Now that I’ve probably muddied the water more than I intended, I’ll shut-up for the moment. LOL.
Thanks for your kind reply.
LOL! The good nuns must have failed miserably with me. And so did our archbishop, when he personally awarded me for my knowledge of catechism. But you're right, maybe I never was a REAL Catholic. That's why I found Jesus in a Southern Baptist Church!
Rather than talk past one another I propose we engage in a dialog. First you answer my question and then I'll answer yours:
Can you explain if this passage is referring to "paradosis" or "kerygma" and how that difference might reflect on the validity of the criticism of the Catholic Church?
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
I would guess that most educated folks are keenly aware that
The Jewish copies of the Mosaic Penteteuch existed for centuries before the Roman Catholic magicsterical decided to twist the record into their power mongering schemes a few centuries after Christ.
The RC mangled text version of the 10 Commandments
did NOT EXIST until the RC magicsterical power-mongering manglers got a hold of it and contorted it toward their !!!CONTROL!!! schemes and idolatries.
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Enough. The evidence is available for all to see. Those who truly seek God's Truth in the matter can, with Holy Spirit's help, ferret it out.
But there's no real ferreting necessary. It's plainly available just by comparing the ancient Jewish text with the mangled RC version.
If he awarded you. What does that all mean. So they told you Catholics worship saints. Then they awarded for teaching worship of saints. We know that can't be. If he did he was died against Catholic teaching.
Also let me tell you an open secret if you confessed the Nicene Creed and believed it. You had Jesus all along. Whether you know it or not. Just read 1John 4 . Of course if you really believed. All of this confession stems from famous verses of scripture especially 1John4 .
I have personally encounter an occultist who could not declare The Apostles or Nicene Creed after she told me she was a Christian. She could not do it in the personal pronoun. I challenged her she could not declare it with strange manifestations. Honest. Very important to know with all these " New Age" thought going around.
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