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Joseph Smith as a Sexual Predator
Mormon Coffee (Mormonism Research Ministry) ^ | Aug. 4, 2011 | Aaron Shafovaloff with clip from Sandra Tanner

Posted on 08/08/2011 7:20:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Red6
Romney is a business man...

Who lost HOW much of his OWN money, trying to become POTUS, and he couldn't even beat McCain?

(Where's that YouTube of the crazy man laughing when ya need it??)

61 posted on 08/08/2011 3:09:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Red6
Your entire post was meaningless dribble for self affirmation but didn't even address the point I was making.

Which was???

62 posted on 08/08/2011 3:11:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MizSterious
... because every time you’d post something derogatory about that raid and the practices the raid exposed, a gang of sympathizers would come along ...

That's NOTHING!!

You should hear how ticked off they STILL are in Pakistan over that May 2nd thing!!

63 posted on 08/08/2011 3:14:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
It was EASY for Brigham, for the groundwork was already laid!

HE did not have to threaten his first wife to get HER to accept the other girls!


 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


64 posted on 08/08/2011 3:17:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Red6
...sudden spike in Mormon posts (all negative)...

GOOD!

Our methods are WORKING!!!

We try to encourage MORMONs to post something POSITIVE about their religion; but, for whatever reason, they seem to be quite cowed these days.

65 posted on 08/08/2011 3:20:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ForAmerica
The best propaganda is subtle ...

Let's hear from an expert:

 
 
" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."


66 posted on 08/08/2011 3:22:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Confab
Now that most of the good ones have been kicked off, & the remaining ones not posting for fear of meeting a same fate, it looks more like a union campaign.

CONFAB; you learned (or at least READ) on another thread that the lds dudes were not KICKED off, they commited enough violations of FR protocol to get themselves ZOTTED off!

WHINING is what is 'getting old'!

67 posted on 08/08/2011 3:24:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
...the lds dudes were not KICKED off, they commited enough violations of FR protocol to get themselves ZOTTED off!

(Oh, and I forgot to dedicate this thread to one of those zotted ones who still reads FR: Fproy...we miss ya, Fred!)

68 posted on 08/08/2011 4:15:37 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie
We try to encourage MORMONs to post something POSITIVE about their religion; but, for whatever reason, they seem to be quite cowed these days.

And that is no:


69 posted on 08/08/2011 4:31:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie

I have no idea but I was referring to the formal clothes he is always shown wearing in his portraits...but it could also refer to the “holy underwear” they wear today, assuming Smith himself used it.


70 posted on 08/08/2011 4:44:53 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Colofornian
Smith also used the approach of assuring the girl's family members -- at least the parents -- a place in the highest degree of glory. It was essentially a form of "indulgences-prostitution" -- with Smith as the active sex partner-pimp. The crass offer, broken down, was essentially "sell your body & soul to me and it will go well with thy parents for eternity." He would simply further "spiritualize" it by asking them to pray about his propositions.

Amen!

Todd Compton's list of Joseph Smith's 33 plural concubines reads like a Who's Who of early Mormonism surnames. Many of the chosen ones, were given obviously to Smith to help "seal the deal." This includes Brigham's older sister (mother?) Fanny Young.

You may remember that many LDS historians believe Compton's roster is by no means complete. Fawn Brodie for instance lists 56 fillies. 80 is another popular total.

You may also recall that many of Smiths conquests were also sealed to other Saints at the same time. In other words, the letches were also in to "swinging."

Smith was a sexual pervert using just about any definition you prefer.

71 posted on 08/08/2011 4:52:26 PM PDT by Zakeet (If it ain't broke, the Wee Wee will fix it until it is)
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To: Red6
Ok, are you saying that it really is Romney who is a sexual predator or that Joseph Smith and his proclivity to pedophilia somehow reflexes on Romney or what? There is nothing in this post about Romney until you brought it up. Please clarify why you are tying these two men together.
72 posted on 08/08/2011 7:27:47 PM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Red6
Politically there is no difference between Romney and obama. Do some research, (not the PR) on the Olympics success, it is not what you have been lead to believe,
73 posted on 08/08/2011 7:31:59 PM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Elsie

Good stuff.


74 posted on 08/08/2011 8:35:06 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Zakeet; colorcountry
You may also recall that many of Smiths conquests were also sealed to other Saints at the same time. In other words, the letches were also in to "swinging."

Yes.

Richard Abanes outlined this, saying this started with Smith sleeping with wives of other men.

"Other Mormons followed suit. Consider Lucinda Pendleton. She is widely known for having married first Smith, then Brigham Young after Smith's murder. But what is commonly overlooked is that she married Smith and Young while STILL married to a George Harris. And Zina Huntington married Brigham Young while still married to Henry Jacobs. Jacobs, in fact, stood as a witness. Wife-swapping was eventually looked upon as wholly acceptable if an influential church authority was involved. Jedediah M. Grant, for example, admitted, 'If President Young wants my wives I will give them to him without a grumble, and he can take them whenever he likes.' Grant also explained, ["]What would a man of God say, who felt aright, when Joseph [Smith] asked him for his money? He would say, "Yes, and I wish I had more to help to build up the kingdom of God." Or if he came and said, "I want your wife?" "O yes," he would say, "here she is; there are plenty more." The Confessions of John D. Lee confirmed wife-swapping in Utah, saying, 'Some have mutually agreed to exchange wives.' One of Brigham's own brothers, Lorenzo Young, engaged in just such a trade with a Mr. Decker, whose wife was wanted by Lorenzo. The two men simply swapped mates." (Inside Today's Mormonism, p. 237, Harvest House, 2004, citing Lee's book, p. 165 and other sources)

75 posted on 08/09/2011 4:00:43 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: MarkBsnr

I get the point...


76 posted on 08/09/2011 5:21:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Aw...  shucks...
 


77 posted on 08/09/2011 5:22:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

The grass may be greener; but it still has to be mowed.


78 posted on 08/09/2011 5:23:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Cute! :-)


79 posted on 08/09/2011 8:25:23 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

bttt


80 posted on 08/09/2011 9:18:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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