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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The Mormons were persecuted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mormonism

Many men died. In fact, especially years past men tended to die prematurely more often and on average were outlived by their wives considerably.

Today and in more recent history this has been abused by some wacky sects and distorted in what it was really about by the rest of America.

What some make into a sexual agenda today, was nothing more than a way of dealing with women without men, children without fathers in a time before big government and social programs. Throughout history, even within Europe, there were times and places where similar behavior occurred for similar reason, but that too is forgotten.

But hey, if you like the “porno version” better because that makes you feel good and maybe even bash some political candidate you don't see as your number one choice, more power to ya. Truth is irrelevant, it's all about feelings and perceptions of reality, "your version of the truth." Isn't it time for a good Mormon undergarment joke? Now, a black or Jew joke would be wrong, but a Moron joke is always OK in open minded America.

17 posted on 07/02/2011 10:00:44 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6; Ruy Dias de Bivar; Zakeet
The Mormons were persecuted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mormonism

Mormons killed more non-Mormons (Gentiles) than vice-versa...Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857...attacks on the army around same years...it was a two-way struggle in Missouri in the 1830s, with non-Mormons dying, too.

Many men died. In fact, especially years past men tended to die prematurely more often and on average were outlived by their wives considerably.

Yes, many men died, but there was actually a documented shortage of women in Utah. Most polygamous wives were NOT in their 40s, 50s, & 60s.

21 posted on 07/02/2011 10:31:50 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Mormon church regards 100% of the founding fathers as apostates from the 'true' church)
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To: Red6; Ruy Dias de Bivar; Colofornian

The Mormons were persecuted. Many men died. In fact, especially years past men tended to die prematurely more often and on average were outlived by their wives considerably.

What some make into a sexual agenda today, was nothing more than a way of dealing with women without men, children without fathers in a time before big government and social programs.

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Wrong on all of these accounts. Many fewer LDS died as a result of the ‘perscution’ than claimed. Most of those who died on the trek west were a result of poor planning and greed on Brigham Youngs part, and as far as the care of widows and orphans? Nope. 11 of Smiths plural wives still had living husbands when he ‘married’ them. And the population of Utah during polygamy was about equal, men and women, with many men having little choice to remain single because of polygamy. Most plural wives, were wives in every sense (including bearing children) and well over 80% were never married when they became plural wives and the young ones had the consent of a parent, so the ‘widow and orphans’ angle is just another lie Mormons put forth.

Don’t believe the Mormon propaganda, there are several good sources about the truth about Mormon polygamy out there, I can provide some if you wish.

http://www.utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm and http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/ for starters


23 posted on 07/02/2011 11:41:58 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Red6
What some make into a sexual agenda today, was nothing more than a way of dealing with women without men, children without fathers in a time before big government and social programs.

Interesting that only the little group of Mormons came up with that idea.

Was the polygamy idea from God, or was that something that the Mormons were forced to adopt by later generations after struggling for decades to figure out a way to deal with all of the widowed Mormon mothers and their kids?

24 posted on 07/02/2011 11:52:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Red6

You wrote:

“Throughout history, even within Europe, there were times and places where similar behavior occurred for similar reason, but that too is forgotten.”

Not really. Oh, there were rare instances of polygamy here and there, but who calling themselves “Christians” adopted polygamy as a religious practice in the modern era? There are only a few groups that have done that and all of them are considered fringe groups led by nuts. What does that tell us?


26 posted on 07/03/2011 5:30:55 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't win they simply violate the rules of the forum)
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To: Red6

By the way, here’s a modern example of European polygamy:

http://www.nccg.org/fecpp/bouquet/list.html

Fringe is an understatement.


28 posted on 07/03/2011 5:39:00 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't win they simply violate the rules of the forum)
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To: Red6
Many men died. In fact, especially years past men tended to die prematurely more often and on average were outlived by their wives considerably.

And your point is????? Polygamy existed because there were too many women. bzzzzzt go back and study up red - that was not the case.

31 posted on 07/03/2011 8:01:24 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Red6

***Isn’t it time for a good Mormon undergarment joke? ***

I dated a mormon girl many years ago. She didn’t have on anything at all! ;-D

Happy?


39 posted on 07/03/2011 1:11:21 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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