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Pope: Humanity isn't random product of evolution
Yahoo ^ | April 23,2011 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 04/23/2011 8:37:58 PM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin

VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI marked the holiest night of the year for Christians by stressing that humanity isn't a random product of evolution.

Benedict emphasized the Biblical account of creation in his Easter Vigil homily Saturday, saying it was wrong to think at some point "in some tiny corner of the cosmos there evolved randomly some species of living being capable of reasoning and of trying to find rationality within creation, or to bring rationality into it."

"If man were merely a random product of evolution in some place on the margins of the universe, then his life would make no sense or might even be a chance of nature," he said. "But no, reason is there at the beginning: creative, divine reason."

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: evolution; pope; religion
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1 posted on 04/23/2011 8:38:04 PM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

Unfortunately, the current Pope is still a theistic evolutionist and higher critic.


2 posted on 04/23/2011 8:45:23 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

In fact evolution has nothing to do with man. Theistic evolution is darwin-evolution-lite. There’s no reason why the bible isn’t accurate and God made man as described. If he can raise the dead He can make a man out of the ground. If He can make the entire universe just by speaking it into existence there is no need for evolution and the account of the bible is what it says it is.

He is Risen!


3 posted on 04/23/2011 9:15:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“If He can make the entire universe just by speaking it into existence there is no need for evolution and the account of the bible is what it says it is.

He is Risen!”

Amen and God bless


4 posted on 04/23/2011 9:35:35 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
Benedict emphasized the Biblical account of creation in his Easter Vigil homily Saturday, saying it was wrong to think at some point "in some tiny corner of the cosmos there evolved randomly some species of living being capable of reasoning

Since when does the church recognize reason?

Whenever I try and talk "reasonably" with someone who is a follower of organized/revealed religion, the person with whom I'm conversing inevitably falls back on the "faith" argument.
5 posted on 04/23/2011 10:01:09 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: WackySam
Whenever I try and talk "reasonably" with someone who is a follower of organized/revealed religion, the person with whom I'm conversing inevitably falls back on the "faith" argument.

The problem is that you're both laboring under the modern notion that faith is the antithesis of reason. For more information on how this came about, see Escape from Reason, by Francis Schaeffer, and its more developed treatment in The God Who Is There by the same author.
6 posted on 04/23/2011 10:09:30 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
The problem is that you're both laboring under the modern notion that faith is the antithesis of reason.

IMHO, believing in *any* organized religion *is* the antithesis of reason. They can not share the same space (and FWIW- I feel exactly the same way about atheism) .

The Creator knows my pure thoughts on the matter and I am fine with that. If I'm wrong in my beliefs, and banished to "hell", so be it. I won't be going with a guilty conscious.
7 posted on 04/23/2011 10:49:45 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

No, the pope is not a theistic evolutionist. To be an evolutionist one has to accept the synthesis of Julian Huxley and others, which postulates the randomness that the pope rejects. And while he admires Theilhard de Chardin, he rejects his theology which tries to incorporate evolution into Catholicism as other Jesuits try to incorporate Marxism.


8 posted on 04/23/2011 11:02:32 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: WackySam

Whereever you may be in your thinking, one thing is certain: it owes something to “organized religion.” You are like the fish who is oblivious to the water in which it swims. Your very language bespeaks of it.


9 posted on 04/23/2011 11:08:40 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin; mamelukesabre; Trillian; agrace; 1010RD; calex59; TheOldLady; killermosquito; ...

Sounds like at least one person in the Vatican gets it...


10 posted on 04/23/2011 11:19:26 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: WackySam
Since when does the church recognize reason? Whenever I try and talk "reasonably" with someone who is a follower of organized/revealed religion, the person with whom I'm conversing inevitably falls back on the "faith" argument.

Yup, that's inevitable, given that what the Bible describes just doesn't happen in real life.

11 posted on 04/24/2011 12:09:39 AM PDT by kosta50
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To: RobbyS; Zionist Conspirator
No, the pope is not a theistic evolutionist. To be an evolutionist one has to accept the synthesis of Julian Huxley and others, which postulates the randomness that the pope rejects. And while he admires Theilhard de Chardin, he rejects his theology which tries to incorporate evolution into Catholicism as other Jesuits try to incorporate Marxism.

He may reject randomness, but he certainly does not reject evolution per se, and he apparently rejects all forms of instantaneous creation.

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12 posted on 04/24/2011 5:08:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: WackySam
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:1,3

We all daily live by faith. Go to sleep at night and have faith that you'll wake up in the morning. The examples of assuming that something will happen though we have yet to see it come to pass are legion. Faith is not opposed to reason. Some things in the Bible need to be taken by blind faith, while others are backed up by history, archaeology, and science.

13 posted on 04/24/2011 6:50:05 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: RobbyS
No, the pope is not a theistic evolutionist. To be an evolutionist one has to accept the synthesis of Julian Huxley and others, which postulates the randomness that the pope rejects.

Hence my point that he is a "theistic" evolutionist--one who believes that evolution is guided by Divine Providence. But he still rejects the facticity of the first eleven chapters of Genesis.

14 posted on 04/24/2011 8:01:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: Alex Murphy; RobbyS
Thanks for the links, Alex. Catholicism is absolutely allergic to Biblical facticity, confusing it (as do Fundamentalist Protestants) with Biblical sufficiency. In fact, I seem to be the only person who understands the difference. Maybe I'm crazy?
15 posted on 04/24/2011 8:06:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: kosta50
Since when does the church recognize reason? Whenever I try and talk "reasonably" with someone who is a follower of organized/revealed religion, the person with whom I'm conversing inevitably falls back on the "faith" argument.

Yup, that's inevitable, given that what the Bible describes just doesn't happen in real life.

Neither do the events described in the creation myths of "indigenous pipples," but I have yet to hear of any scientist or liberal politician say so.

16 posted on 04/24/2011 8:12:38 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Dei Verbum:

“Therefore, since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings (5) for the sake of salvation.”

The medieval exegetes taught a carefully nuanced four-fold interpretation of scripture, understanding that the Bible has literal, allegorical, moral and anagogical meanings.


17 posted on 04/24/2011 9:02:00 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Alex Murphy

Faith and reason go to together. Try reading Fide et Ratio by Pope John Paul II.


18 posted on 04/24/2011 9:04:12 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

The following paragraph is totally wrong.....

The Vatican, however, warns against creationism, or the overly literal interpretation of the Bibilical account of creation.

That is just a statement made by a persons not filled with the Spirit of Christ, simple as that!


19 posted on 04/24/2011 9:09:40 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012, please lord)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Maybe I'm crazy?

"You just might be the lunatic we're looking for" :)

20 posted on 04/24/2011 9:46:22 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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